• snooggums@midwest.social
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    9 months ago

    People doing good things shouldn’t wait to find out if shitty people doing malicious things are told no. Just do the right thing already, face the consequences later. That’s what the shitty people do, and they usually get away with it.

    • a lil bee 🐝@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      You will bleed integrity with every one of those shortcuts you take. You say “let’s skip it and just do the right thing”. What can you not justify with that? You can excuse genocides, coups, war crimes. I don’t just have a problem with Trump’s motivations, but also his means. That approach, always correlated with populism, is foolish and always, always tends to oppression.

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      9 months ago

      You all are aware that the subversion of the constitutional state for what you deem to.be good reasons will end in the same weakening of said state no matter who did it, right?

      Don’t lose track of what’s at stake by getting blinded by bipartisan feuds. You can’t fight the enemies of law, oder and democracy by undermining law, order and democracy. That is literally the only thing one can learn from the Star Wars Prequel trilogy.

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        9 months ago

        Right, like the other party cares about democracy.

        Jesus Christ they’ve been gerrymandering everything they can, they ignore supreme courts orders to roll it back. They ban abortions, they try to go against people who travel to get it, they declare IVF emryos children… and that’s just the surface.

        Just face it and be honest about it - there is no democracy. Majority of people are against Israel genociding Gaza. Democracy doesn’t care. Even the party of lEsSeR eViL does not give a flying fuck - DNC just says they can pick who gets to be nominated, since they are a private company.

        Fuck all of that. Nobody cares about the majority of anything, except the capital. People have no value, not in the US.

        But let’s worry about the optics of bipartisan support. What if the other party starts an insurrection???

    • AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      I’m not from the USA so I don’t have a dog in this fight but this seems like a mad approach to me. Think beyond the immediate short term.

      In your place I’d be standing up for and strengthening your institutions and conventions; they aren’t perfect but the checks and balances are the only thing holding back people like Trump. If you don’t abide by the rules either that becomes the new normal and Trump-like figures will become commonplace and no longer be seen as an aberration.

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        9 months ago

        I’m not from the US either, but I have heard of Project 2025. If Republicans actually implement what’s in it, whatever checks and balances were left will go right out the window.

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        9 months ago

        Biden had no problem bypassing Congress to give israel genocide bombs. Which is far less legal than giving Ukraine a discount.

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      9 months ago

      This is not the right thing. The end of supporting an ally against Russian imperialism, fulfilling our promises, taking the cheapest route to safeguard our national interests, does not justify the means of the executive branch willfully misinterpreting government controls to circumvent fundamental checks and balances