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    One of the last messages from the developer of Sync had said they were considering making a Sync for Lemmy… The guy’s attention to detail and customizability of Sync for Reddit has me hoping real hard for that.

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      Oh my god if JDL made Sync for Lemmy I would buy it yesterday. I was a Sync Dev user for like 5 years, such a great app and the developer is amazing.

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        Absolutely! Sync was my favorite Reddit app. It’s perfect. Take my money guys.

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        I’m 11 years into using Sync.

        My first year of college, the only smart device I had was an iPod Touch. After I found Reddit, I installed Alien Blue on the iPod as my first Reddit app experience.

        A couple years later, I bought my first real smartphone, which ran Android. And I was so keen to try to find “the Alien Blue of Android” I tried probably half a dozen Reddit apps. It didn’t take me long to recognize Sync as the uncontested best of the lot, and I’ve been using it ever since.

        Until now.

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      Considering the Reddit API changes are leaving an enormous amount of mobile dev talent flapping in the breeze, I’m really looking forward to seeing some really innovative apps in the nearish future.

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      I would actually spend money on Lemmy Sync. Though I’d also love if some of the Reddit app devs went grey hat and implemented token spoofing like Twidere on Android has for Twitter - that app lets me view my Mastodon “timeline” and Twitter timeline in the same feed by telling Twitter’s API that it’s totally the normal iPhone Twitter app.

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      That would be amazing. I’m sure it would be a lot of work, but I don’t think he would be starting from scratch. I would think he could use many existing components. I’m sure many people would pay for it, I know I would.

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        Someone posted a Github link to a initial method of displaying Lemmy via a Reddit app but I bet it’s incredibly basic and buggy, maybe that will be a starting point for it though? 🤞🏼

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      There are some bugs and an advance user may not like it but for a simple lurker as myself Jeroba has been working wonders. 100% recomend

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        Are you really a lurker if you’re already commenting? (Speaking as a recovering lurker)

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        Jerboa has been working well for me so far as well but I am pretty new too. It has been somewhat easy to navigate but I am trying to learn the whole fediverse thing at the same time.

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        Totally fair. I’m brand new today so it’s been nice to play around with to get used to Lemmy. Still no idea to view things I subscribed to but I’m sure I’ll learn!

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      Me2. But I do not see an option to add my kbin account nor my mastodon. I think it would be cool if this feels more integrative as in one app with different sections/views for the fediverse

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        I wish there was a way to have one account linked to multiple instances. Admittedly I don’t understand this fediverse thing so i may be wrong about this but requiring a new account for every instance will get increasingly tiresome as the site grows and more instances are created.

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          FWIW, any account can subscribe to any (federated) community. Right now it’s really difficult to do through Jerboa itself, so I usually do it through the web app.

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            Is kbin.social just another community? And kbin just another app which presents said communities a bit different?

            I have a mastodon, Lemmy and kbin account and would love to have one place to view all my subscribed content…

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              Yes. On kbin they are called magazines, but they show up as communities for me in the jerboa app even though my account is with lemmyworld.

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          If you have an account on an instance, you can see anything on other instances it federates with

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        It definitely has bugs. I had to load this thread 8 times to get the correct comments to load. Some of this could be user error, buts it’s a free app that works pretty dang well.

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        Yeah, it’s barely working for me at all, and I’ve been trying it for at least a week now. Sometimes I’ve written out long comments only for them to just vanish forever with a little error message.

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          Same here.

          I’ve gotten in the habit of copying my comments before submitting them, just in case. Including this one.

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      Same… I’m pretty confused about some stuff but it’s close enough to reddit to where I’m kinda figuring it out

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        I used to use Relay for reddit, and jerboa feels really familiar. It’s development really picked up last release too. Still having an issue getting back to a comment context from a reply in my inbox, but I think that’s a bug from last release and there’s a pull request already.

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      I assume there isn’t really any app for Lemmy on iOS? I didn’t find anything. I didn’t expect to, but still disappointing.

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    I may be just a pie-in-the-sky optimist but I think the duplicate communities thing will die down eventually. Natural selection will do it’s thing and we’ll all eventually settle in specific communities on specific instances.

    Based on the nature of life itself all living things become specialized over time. This includes creatures, jobs, products, communities, etc. So what’s likely to happen is some communities will die out or be abandoned while others will thrive and yet others will simply become more specialized.

    Hypothetical example: /m/gifs on Kbin might become the place to find perfect loops and high quality/serious stuff while /m/gifs on some other instance might become the place for animated silliness.

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      I think “duplicated” communities is a problem even on a centralized service, to a lesser degree, since you can create a community with same intentions, but different names (e.g. c/video, c/videos). I’m also optimistic they will sort out with time

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        Agree, the fragmentation of communities is a stumbling block for adoption and for the coalescing of users to solidified groups that adopt identities and cultures. This is a huge advantage when looking at centralized systems like reddit. My hope is that there will be some version of natural selection but that it occurs sooner than later

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          Even on reddit their were multiple subreddits that were very similar. r/oculus r/oculusquest r/quest2 r/virualreality and many more ar and xr subbreddits I was subscribed to. Much of the same content were on all of them. As the user base here grows it won’t be an issue, some similar communities will be bigger some smaller and there’s room for everything.

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          Im not sure what you’re saying. Personally I want to avoid one huge centralized “community” as it no longer ceases to be a community.

          It makes sense to me that different userbases have different /r/funny with different content that they find funny. Otherwise you just have one appeal to the lowest common denominator content.

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            My concern is adoption for most people is a matter of content to interact with and if the groups are too disparate they may not foster adoption.

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        It is, only that on reddit you had the possibility of one r/video and one r/videos but here you have the possibility of 20+ different c/video and 20+ different c/videos so it’ll take much longer to form a main community and then you have the chance of an instance suddenly disappearing for whatever reason and then the whole process starts again.

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        One thing I’m worried about here with the duplicated communities though is the same thing that was happening on Reddit in the last couple years, new astroturfed communities popping up with a decided slant. Like how /r/economy came out of nowhere despite /r/economics being an existing huge subreddit, and /r/economy having a noticeable conservative bent. Lemmy doesn’t seem a ton more susceptible to it than Reddit was, but discovering new popular communities does seem to be very much a desired feature here.

        I don’t think Beehaw has it figured out, but the idea of making signups more onerous definitely makes sense to limit bots, advertisers, and state actors.

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      I think so too, however we need some discoverability of these instances. At the very least we should be able to easily search for and subscribe to communities from different instances, and have some UI to easily navigate these.

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        The thing is, due to how federation works, this cannot work. Federation is not an automatic thing that happens to instances; instances can only know about other instances if they send a request to another instance or vice versa, to discover them.

        The closest thing to a solution will always be things like https://browse.feddit.de, or some implementation of opt-in relays, like the microblogging platforms use.

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          I need to do some reading on how the fediverse works under the hood but if browse,feddit.de has visbility of all instances then certaintly there is a way for any instance that chooses to federate to have visibility into the fediverse

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            It doesn’t have visbility of all instances in existence, as this is impossible. What it will do is crawl the “known fediverse”, which is done by crawling known instances and then crawling known instances to those known instances, and so on.

            Basically, the Fediverse is just separate websites talking to each other, there is no actual fediverse entity so to speak.

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              That makes sense, but I am failing to see the issue. As long as one instance, or any single user from one instance makes that instance aware of the existence of another instance (currently by pasting the url of that instance in the community search), that is now visible and discoverable to all users.

              Or worst case, your instance calls some aggregator, like browse.feddit.de to fetch all known instances.

              All I am asking for a better UI for viewing content across these instances. What that looks like I am not totally sure. > Communities

              I mean if you look at https://lemmy.world/communities/listing_type/All/page/1, you can already see a bunch of communities from other instances

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                I have to admit I’m not sure what you’re asking anymore, what exactly would a “better UI for viewing content across these instances” be? You can already search for communities that your instance knows about (and force it to search for any instances that you know elsewhere) using the search system, and browsing the All feed will show you all posts from communities/instances that your instance knows about as well. Trying searching gaming to see what I mean

                I will say the search page feels incredibly disjointed though; I think it should group all the same content (communities, posts, comments) instead of whatever it does right now.

                It sounds to me like you’re asking for some sort of discoverability/content recommendations, perhaps? If this is the case, the general Fediverse culture tends to be against this sort of stuff as they see them as systems that promote more screen time and unhealthy habits, instead of actually engaging with what you know you want to engage with.

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                  That’s because I am confused on what I am asking for myself, but I can’t figure it out until I have discussions about it.

                  I will say the search page feels incredibly disjointed though; I think it should group all the same content (communities, posts, comments) instead of whatever it does right now.

                  This is one thing. Another is a being able to possibly toggle views of different instances within one UI. Another is something like multireddits, where you can view multiple communities contents together (/r/funny from one instance, and another).

                  It sounds to me like you’re asking for some sort of discoverability/content recommendations, perhaps? If this is the case, the general Fediverse culture tends to be against this sort of stuff as they see them as systems that promote more screen time and unhealthy habits, instead of actually engaging with what you know you want to engage with.

                  Thats a reasonable concern. The problem however I see is that if you don’t have way to easily discover communities, or have a way in which communities link to each other, then you end up with a single or perhaps couple massive instances and were essentially back to where we started.

                  Back in the day, the single entry point of discoverability used to be Google. You’d search for some topic and come onto some forum of that topic. That’s no longer really an option. If every instance is isolated on its own domain with no gateway between them, I don’t see much point to the fediverse.

                  The biggest problem to starting a new social media alternative has been the critical mass needed. I see the fediverse as a way of solving this problem, as you already have a bunch of users/content which can be shared with new instances.

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        Just added the Apache License.

        Goals:

        1. Better UI (I am aiming for old.reddit) for lemmy with a new design (repetitive icons, hard to distinguish comments, terrible mobile UI) and fixing common issues, like freezing, spinners loading forever, etc.
        2. Single codebase for web, native Android and iOS apps. This is possible with Svelte + Capacitor.
        3. Svelte codebase which I believe will be far easier to develop on.
        4. Rethink how communities are browsed/integrated as alluded to in this post. This is my end goal, but I need to have some discussions about what this will exactly look like.

        My current goal is to just get the site working with all/most of the existing functionality. For that there is a lot to do. Profile/settings page, comment replies, community browser/subscriptions to name a few.

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          Sounds great!! I will be pendent of news about that project. Currently I’m using Jerboa. Not so bad and needs improve a lot of stuff, would be great could use Infinity for Reddit but for Lemmy. Is open source so I think it could possible, but I’m not a programmer yet. Good luck!!

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          I might try my hand at contributing. I have yet to do any open source development but really want to work on something lemmy related.

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          Single codebase for web, native Android and iOS apps. This is possible with Svelte + Capacitor.

          Interesting. Is this easier to work in than React Native?

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            I am not a fan of React, so in my opinion, yes. The substantial difference here is this isn’t native, its just a webapp that looks and feels just like a native application. The nice thing here is its just vanilla JS/CSS/HTML.

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      I like that you chose Sveltekit, and the project structure seems pretty good. But there’s a lot to fix. The page load takes way too long (you should be using #await whenever possible), and the design is very messy.

      If I may suggest, I think you should be using a better UI framework. I feel like Carbon is a good match for this sort of app. But If you don’t like it, Skeleton also seems like a good choice.

      Also, imho you should be using display: flex a lot more! (or grid). And use tab 2 or 4, not 8!! :)

      Either way, I like the initiative. I might be able to help out a little bit here and there, but I can’t make any promises.

      Good luck!

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        My coding style has always been to get out the core functionality then fix everything up, definitely not for everyone. Might be something I need to reconsider when working with others.

        I love carbon, but I chose Ionic is because its very suited for mobile development. On the other hand it seems to have very severe limitations for mobile so it seems I have to pull in something else in as well.

        The page load takes way too long (you should be using #await whenever possible)

        I will, though part of the reason its slow is because its hitting lemmys backend over the network, as opposed to just a local network in a normal setup.

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        Right now its just fetching from lemmy.world. But I have my own instance on the same server as the front end client I can point it to.

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    Yes! I was just reading a post from the authors of Lemmy on lemmy.ml, and noticed I was not logged in. I assume that because lemmy.ml is another instance, I can’t log in with my usual lemmy.world credentials, but since it is federated I should be able to post, correct? However, I am not sure how, and I think a lot of people would just try logging in normally, since it’s just Lemmy, right? Lemmy.ml might be safe, but I think it could be possible to confuse people into entering their password for fediverse sites on malicious instances, which steal their credentials. It’s a little bit confusing to noobs like myself to be honest.

    An app that can manage credentials and post properly across compatible instances and show informative messages to notify the user if and why they cannot post would be very useful, managing multiple accounts seamlessly even more useful!

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      Well think about it with this crude kind of inaccurate analogy.

      You have a windows laptop. Your friend has a windows laptop. When you’re logged in to your laptop you can send your friend email. And see his emails to you.

      But just because your laptop is windows and his laptop is windows doesn’t mean your windows log-in would work on his right? Lemmy works more like that. Reddit is kind of like one large windows laptop and everyone gets their own keyboard. Your log in works no matter which keyboard you use.

      You may notice that Lemmy communities have the @ symbol like an email. So tech@lemmy.world is different from tech@lemmy.ml (just like how robert@yahoo.com is not the same account as robert@gmail.com). They MAY be made by the same Robert but there’s no guarantee.

      You really just need one account. So in the communities tab from your instance (Lemmy.world) you can search for the community on the other instance (Lemmy.ml) for example tech@lemmy.ml.

      Your account let’s you post and comment on @lemmy.ml posts

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        Even when you understand all that, though, it does just feel weird and unintuitive that you have to search for the community you want to interact with from within your home instance, and can’t just directly go to that instance’s website, e.g. beehaw.org, and log in.

        Having an app (including a desktop app) to point people to that would just consolidate everything for a given user so that it’s more intuitive, and so that you can easily switch between accounts or set it up to see posts from all your accounts together, would make it a lot easier on newbies, and make navigation more convenient for everyone else as well.

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          You don’t need to make multiple accounts though? You go to lemmy.world, or wherever your account is and find your communities, anywhere in the fediverse from there.

          To expand on the above analogy, if you are on your laptop, and your buddy is on his laptop hooked to the same network and you need a file off his computer you don’t go to that computer to create an account and get the file, you just access it through the network you are both attached to. You can make comments and post all through the network.

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      I assume that because lemmy.ml is another instance, I can’t log in with my usual lemmy.world credentials, but since it is federated I should be able to post, correct?

      I think the difference is whether you’re viewing lemmy.ml directly (as in, the URL in your browser starts with https://lemmy.ml/), or whether you’re viewing it via lemmy.world (or whichever site you have an account on).

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      I have not seen the need to manage multiple accounts so far. I am logged into thelemmy.club but am subscribed to lemmy.world which works fine since it is federated. I am able to reply to you from thelemmy.club. Most of the content I follow is from other (non club) servers and have not had any issues interacting with people.

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        You would need a separate account to participate in instances your home instance isn’t federated with, ie anyone logged into lemmy.world would need a different account to use beehaw

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          I think this is where I lucked out when I had so many issues creating an account on lemmy.world. I ended up making an account at thelemmy.club instead and it seems I can see and respond to all content from here so far.

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    This is a non issue tbh.

    We will get there. I’m having a shit load of fun on here with you guys.

    The nature of this platform is so that what we need will gradually happen based on the work we put it. I’m not into tech anything so I’m just thinking here.

    I’m literally here for the journey

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    @Lemmyin I just want that Infinity for Reddit get Lemmy and Kbin added to it.
    By far the best Reddit client. I really love the gesture navigation on it.
    There’s no other app close to it.

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      For me it was Relay. Absolutely perfect in every way, and the gesture navigation was so intuitive. Currently using jerboa for Lemmy and excited to see where it goes or what other apps become available for it

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        Yeah, Relay was awesome. Jerboa is kind of similar but missing a few features. I’d really like to sort comments in threads like you can do in the lemmy.world PWA.

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        I was looking the jerboa page and it called Lemmy a “federated” alternative to Reddit. What does federated mean in this context?

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          The best explanation I’ve seen is that federation is like email. If you have Gmail and send an email to a Hotmail address, a copy of the message is stored on both servers. When the Hotmail address replies, both servers are updated with the Hotmail’s contents. If you reply all to your own message, both servers are updated with Gmail’s contents. If Hotmail ever decided to refuse Gmail messages, Gmail would retain all the previous Hotmail content that had been sent.

          Contrast this with Reddit, where they control everything in all communities.

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          It’s it’s own platform, but there’s other platforms that cross talk and are all one for the end user.

          It’s basically reddits within reddits within reddits all communicating with eachother. There is a connect point between them, the individual instances, and they are ran by people willing to do so, they control the flow of communication based on the communities needs, in theory.

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        Relay is amazing. At this point I couldn’t give a shit if reddit ever goes back to “normal” but I’ll hate giving up Relay. If only there was some way to log in to Lemmy on Relay.

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          Don’t quote her on this but I think someone is or was working on a wrapper to translate API calls from Reddit to Lemmy. In theory that would make it possible for 3rd party devs like Relay to change the end points to Lemmy. Big if true.

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      Agree! You will pay thesubscription after 30 June? I don’t want to because I don’t want support Reddit new policies not even with a penny. Would be for the dev, but also would be money for the Reddit’s dirty hands.

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        @solidsnake911 I’m not going to pay.

        Why pay to use a platform that’s already making money with my personal data or the data that I post on Reddit?

        That’s why paying makes no sense. Like paying for having online games on a console. I’m not into that stupid idea, that’s why I play on PC and pay for internet to my ISP.
        Paying to any console company to play online games is like paying to the mafia for “protection”.

        Same applies to Reddit.
        I’m not falling in those mafia techniques.

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      I was looking at jerboa and it called Lemmy a “federated” alternative to Reddit. What does federated mean in this context?

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        It refers to the fact that communities belong to a specific instance. These instances can federate, as in “be a whole, made out of two”, or stay separate and stay isolated

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        There is no central Lemmy servers. Everyone can run a Lemmy server, which is called an instance. The instances talk together and sync posts and comments between them.

        The admin of an instance (usually the owner of the server) is in total control of what goes and what does not on the instance, and which other instances to federate (sync) with.

        When you create a community, you choose an instance that the community lives on. The community is then in the hands of the admin of that instance and the mods assigned by the admin to that community.

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    I’m actually kind of enjoying the partitioned nature of the fed. I use the Jerboa app when on mobile to access Lemmy, and when I’m on my PC I use kbin.

    When I was on reddit, I’d switch from mobile to PC or vice versa and just see all the content I just browsed on my other device. Now it’s a fresh batch every time I make the switch (which is pretty regularly!).

    That said, I wouldn’t be opposed to a unifier. I remember back when AOL Instant Messenger and the 5 or so similar IM services were the cream of the internet, and keeping up with friends on each was a real pain in the ass. Then a program called “Trillian” came along and linked them all together with one clean interface, and it was fucking amazing. I could definitely see the fed benefiting from a similar service.

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    Jerboa does this. I get content from all instances and I can block and subscribe as I want. I have no complaints at all as of yet. If you are using android, I highly suggest using jerboa

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      I’m using Jerboa now with multiple accounts. Currently you have to select which account you’re actively using. Each account has separate feed/subscriptions, which I prefer.

      I don’t see an option for 1 combined feed with all accounts subscriptions. Would be nice to have as an option though.

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          Subscriptions should only be stored on your home instance (that’s why Lemmy surfaces monthly active users instead of subscribers) and the instance owners could see it somewhere but they are not world visible, no. However, upvotes are world-visible as far as I know, it’s just that the UI doesn’t show them.

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      Jerboa works, but doesn’t seem to handle the inbox well. I see replies to my comments, but I can’t tap that reply to get to the thread

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      mlem beta for iOS works this way, too, you just have to download TestFlight to use it

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    Since instances love to defederate so much, we need an app to connect everything together again.

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    I feel for all the devs in any way associated with current activities. We need this and this and this and this. Bloody, hell, man. I know, know. Me too!

    Thanks to all the amazing contributors out there!

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    I’m waiting for an account switcher like Sync has. You could log in to one, type a comment and before submitting choose one of your other logged in accts to comment from.