• crossmr@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    I’m not justifying, I’m giving helpful advice for anyone, like yourself, who struggles to grasp the realities of the world outside of your sheltered basement. It’s pretty clear from this conversation that you have no real world experience at all, and I’d like you to be prepared for that eventual day when you do decide to go out there and see what’s actually going on.

    Saying ‘They shot her because she was carrying a gun’ isn’t justifying it, it’s explaining why they shot her. There is no judgement there about it being wrong or right, it’s an explanation of cause and effect.

    That’s ridiculous. This entire time, you’ve been judging her actions.

    Again no. I’ve been explaining the consequences of her actions. Let’s try another example since you clearly have a bee in your bonnet over gun rights,

    Person A mouths off at Person B who then punches Person A in the face.

    You come in carrying on about freedom of speech and I point out ‘Well the whole reason B punched A in the face is because they mouthed off’. This is not a justification, or a declaration that they were right for doing so. it’s an explanation of what happened and why it happened. If you don’t want to get punch in the face, don’t mouth off. Pretty simple. Doesn’t mean you deserve to get punch in the face, but mouth off certainly carries that risk.

    She didn’t deserve to get shot, but in 2024 carrying a gun towards the police is a great way to get shot. She certainly had a right to carry the gun, but rights and entitlement doesn’t stop bullets.

    It’s very likely that if she’d not picked up the gun she wouldn’t have been shot and she would have explained she forgot her keys and everyone would have gone on with their night. I’m perfectly within my rights to walk down the street at 3 am with a bag of cash waving it around and yelling at the top of my lungs how much cash I have and how it would be a shame if someone stole it. Do you think people would have a lot of sympathy for me if someone jumped me and stole the cash? How many people do you think would say ‘what a dumbass’ for doing that?

    This brings us back to nuance. We can call out poor choices and warn people against repeating that behaviour while still thinking what happened to them is bad and unjust.

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      9 months ago

      You come in carrying on about freedom of speech

      Now that’s just a lie. This is all that I said in regards to the U.S. Constitution:

      Weird, I thought there was this thing called the second amendment that gun advocates always say is necessary to defend yourself against tyranny.

      I’m going to ignore the rest of your post because you decided insults and lies are the way to go forward.

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        Now that’s just a lie. This is all that I said in regards to the U.S. Constitution:

        You’ve repeatedly posted the ‘it’s totally legal’ claim.

        She was inside her home. The gun was her property. She had it legally

        she did something that, again, was 100% legal,

        she was holding her legal property inside her own home (posted that one twice)

        Your words.

        That’s how we’re playing this game isn’t it?

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          9 months ago

          You don’t actually know that second amendment is about the right to bear arms and the first amendment is about freedom of speech, do you?

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            9 months ago

            I’m aware they’re different.

            Are you capable or parsing what you actually read?

            Let’s try another example since you clearly have a bee in your bonnet over gun rights,

            Person A mouths off at Person B who then punches Person A in the face.

            You come in carrying on about freedom of speech

            This is called an example because you’re clearly too wound up over gun rights, I thought I’d give you another example of a similar situation to see if you’d be capable of taking a step back and looking at something objectively. Thanks for answering that question though.

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              You’re lying again! And gaslighting! You said that I came in here talking about freedom of speech. That is a lie. You did. I never said anything once about freedom of speech.

              Why you are gaslighting, I don’t know. I mean it’s not even very good gaslighting.

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                9 months ago

                Read the whole message which is quoted above. I clearly identified that scenario as an example to make a point to you. Good lord.

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                  Well now I can see why you think it’s the woman’s fault that she got shot. You think it’s my fault that you weren’t clear too.

                  It’s always the other person’s fault somehow.

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                    I was very clear. All you had to do was read up 1 line and your inability to do that is to claim that someone is gaslighting you. Get help.