Christians literally go door to door: “Knock Knock Knock. Have you found Christianity? I’ve chosen a christian way of life and I think it’s a great way of life. I think you should choose to be christian. I think you should raise your children to be christian. I think we should teach christianity in school. I think we should elect christian leaders. I think we should have a christian society.”
So they think gay people go around going: “Knock Knock Knock. Have you found gayness? I’ve chosen a gay way of life and it’s a great way of life. I think you should choose to be gay. I think you should raise your children to be gay. I think we should teach gayness in school. I think we should elect gay leaders. I think we should have a gay society.”
Which is of course as ridiculous as thinking: “Knock Knock Knock. Have you found left-handedness? I’ve chosen a left-handed way of life and it’s a great way of life. I think you should choose to be left-handed. I think you should raise your children to be left-handed. I think we should teach left-handedness in school. I think we should elect left-handed leaders. I think we should have a left-handed society.”
(Now it’s not just gay, it’s trans too.)
Every accusation is a confession. Also it’s funny to think everyone is a latent homosexual all they need is to come in contact with another homosexual to activate their homosexuality.
Many of them think being gay is a choice because they are bisexual. So for them it’s a choice on whether or not to act on it. So they project that it’s a choice for everyone.
It would be simpler to not be a bisexual. Why choose to make life harder?
Considering all the other things they consider temptations, if it’s half as fun as everything else they hate, I might have to try this being gay thing!
I hear it’s okay to suck a few cocks as long as you clearly say, “no homo” first. Just a fyi if you were seriously considering giving in to your sinful thoughts.
Also if someone paid you 20 bucks
God is pleased to have a hard working Christian
Sex work is real work.
Just make sure you say “No homo.” and not, “No, homo!”
The ever-important “coxford comma.”
I’ve got a couple of gay friends, and after I’ve spent time with them, my homo be raging.
It’s sort of true. If you have been raised to suppress your wants of people of the same sex, being confronted with things that you find arousing and forbidden makes that suppression hard. That is, you are now aware that you are gay.
Only their balls though. It’s only gay if the balls touch.
Again, everything that a conservative says or thinks is projection. They tell on themselves constantly.
I think it’s more that “these people” didn’t used to ‘exist’ in their world: Sexual minorities weren’t talked about and were invisible for the most part. But since Stonewall and AIDS, LGBT+ people first decided and then learned not to hide themselves. Suddenly someone who you thought of as normal has ‘become’ gay. You obviously knew them well, it’s not possible they were hiding something from you, and there’s no chance your observations were incorrect - clearly, instead of you being wrong, something happened to them, something ‘turned them gay’ - it must have been the frogs, or music, or DnD, or something, it’s just impossible you were wrong!
If you can be converted to being gay, then you were always gay. It’s like if you have to pray the gay away, you are gay my guy
Everyone’s at least a bit gay.
I might not like all cocks, but I certainly like mine.
When cuntservatives say they are afraid of being ‘gay converted’, what they are really saying is ‘I’m setting up a defense early in case someone catches me on camera servicing a glory hole at the truck stop like I do every sunday after church.’
No but fr have you tried being left handed?
Dont try to drag me into your sinister, ink stained agendas!
Hey if you prefer they can be graphite-stained
I love the fact that people joke about this nowadays. Because my mom still has bad memories from her childhood, where her teachers forced her to be right handed, acting as if it was a choice, and she was just really bad at writing. This was not a third world country either, but the Netherlands.
U.S. same here, my mother’s teachers AND my grandmother beat her regularly with a ruler if she tried writing with her natural dominant hand.
Was so cursed it followed her the rest of her life and even after she was living on her own she wouldn’t use her left hand for writing.
The year she passed away she told me about it with tears in her eyes, it stuck with her for 70 years.
SToP ShOvInG YoUr lEFt HaNdEd iDeOlOgY DoWn mY ThRoAt
I have and it’s amazing!
Also we actually have forced left handed people to become right-handed.
Weird I’ve heard about this from so many countries, from Japan to almost every communist country.
The US did it too for a while. The justification seems to have been something to do with left-handed versus right-handed brain processing or something like that. They were worried that they were going to get a generation of artists and poets and that no one would actually do anything industrial.
Also there’s something in the Bible about people having left hands being agents of the devil, although it seems to only be in certain editions.
The idea that left-handed people are more artistic than right-handed people has been debunked for years now and yet it’s still something people seem to think is true.
This reminds me of one of my absolute fav talks on the left/right brain debate.
Happened to my mother. In the US, in the 30s.
Happened to my wife’s mother in the Netherlands in the 1950s. She did everything left handed but wrote right handed.
By the 1970s this was over here, so I guess the southpaws were able to convert enough people to their godless ways. 😉
I guess the southpaws were able to convert enough people to their
godlesssinister ways.FTFY
It happened to me when I was a child in New York late 90s
Did me until 2nd grade. That teacher gave me left handed scissors with a laugh.
Similarly, lots of parents of Deaf children were told not to teach them sign language.
One day, 2 Church persons tried to talk to me about Jesus-guy, I bet them in and talked about 2 hours about free choice, real science and evolution. Tried to “discuss” it like they do it, just don’t let other arguments be valid and come back to the same shit again and again. I didn’t let them go until they almost panicked. Never heard from them again. Btw they didn’t touch their tea, hmm. I really tried to convert them to self-thinking, I still hope, something stays with them.
That doesn’t work, unfortunately. What tends to work is epistemology, where you try to get at how they know what they “know”, and the roots of their belief. It also helps if you really develop a rapport with someone, are genuinely empathetic, and aren’t asking obviously leading questions; you want to help someone begin to question their own beliefs, rather than telling them to justify their beliefs to you, if that makes sense.
Really deconverting someone can take a long time.
Check out Anthony Magnabosco some time; he’s got a YouTube channel dedicated to street epistemology.
Its always just projection
“Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Gaysus Bi-st?”
Gaysus fucking Bi-st that’s a good one!
If you try really hard and really want it, you too can be 6’,5"
And by christians, you mean American Christians. The rest of the world’s god-botherers don’t do this. Yous are fucking weird bunch, that’s why yous got turfed out of Europe in the 15th century 😂😂
So… the Catholic Church, well known for traveling the world to shove Jesus down everyone’s throats, is an American institution now? Got it.
No, but they stopped knocking when Europe became more secular.
I haven’t had anyone in the last 20 years come knocking on my door about religion. Especially not the Catholic Church.
Ah, so Europe is the whole world now - got it.
Yeah, there’s a lot of history to this, but it’s a part of why there’s so many unusual or distinctive off-shoots of Christianity that come from the US: Jehovah’s Witnesses, LDS, Seventh Day Adventists, Evangelicalism, etc…
It’s not just the Puritans, in fact, it’s mostly not, though they’ve given us plenty of other cultural baggage.
Because we weren’t our own nation, we didn’t have our own bishop in the church of English, so for ministers to get ordained they had to go to England to be trained and then come back.
This gave rise to a conflict between the New Lights and Old Lights. The New Lights were basically proto-evangelicals and they determined that the proof of qualification to be a minister wasn’t a degree, education, or some church approval from overseas, but the ability to gather a church.
This meant that charisma became the defining trait for a successful minister. This is why evangelicals have such terrible theology. There’s all these ideas that are mainstream evangelical ideas that never existed before this period.
The rapture was created during this period. That’s right, for nearly 1800 years Christians wouldn’t even know what you meant if you said “the rapture” and now evangelicals wander around telling everyone to be prepared.
Do you have any recommendations for a book on this topic? I’m super intrigued.
I don’t know of any. It’s just an aggregation of research over the years. If you find something let me know!
Heh, and before the 15th century it was the American Christians that went on Crusades, yeah?
History not your strong subject then 😊
For real though
It’s all the fun banning puritans who got booted out of the country after their coup and subsequent dictatorship finally got overthrown who were the bulk of the Thirteen Colonies, which largely just left the “love thy neighbour” Christians who actually campaign against racism, homophobia, climate change and whatever else can be seen as people insulting “God’s creation” which frankly I can completely get behind even if I don’t believe it as such.
Frankly I don’t get the mind bending logic to ignoring all the “everyone is God’s child, he has made them as he sees fit, he loves them, you should love them too” stuff in the bible and skipping past to a small subsection which says that men shouldn’t sleep together, especially when they ignore the fact that the same section says that anyone who works on a Sunday should be put to death along with a bunch of other wild and wacky stuff that we just all collectively agree was a product of the time it was written…
Also Jesus pretty much tossed out all the “unclean” nonsense in Peter’s dream or whatever.
I wonder how many of them follow the diet though.
Well us and Africa… and Russia
I agree overall with your points, but there is just one caveat: your points are spoken from American and Christian perspective, and there is homophobia in some cultures that are not Christian-based. Majority Chinese, for example, describes themselves as atheists, but they are by and large homophobic. I might be wrong, but I heard CCP is cracking down on fashion, aesthetics and male celebs that might be “too feminine”.
I suspect that our home grown American and Christian homophobia is not Christian-based at all. People don’t like the thing that is different or icky, and instead of being introspective about why that is or if it’s the right thing to do, they see that the Bible or their preacher agree. Then it’s time to turn off the thought process and just go with it.
It’s just a happy little evil coincidence. Typical biblical cherry picking being spoon fed to the base. Funny how little discussion they have about how the Bible has instructions for abortions and how to treat your slaves.
Christian homophobia is not Christian-based at all. People don’t like the thing that is different
It’s just a happy little evil coincidence.
It’s not. It’s an inherent quality in Abrahamic monotheistic religions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_monotheism#Violence_in_monotheism
The intolerance of narrow monotheism is written in letters of blood across the history of man from the time when first the tribes of Israel burst into the land of Canaan. The worshippers of the one jealous God are egged on to aggressive wars against people of alien [beliefs and cultures]. They invoke divine sanction for the cruelties inflicted on the conquered. The spirit of old Israel is inherited by Christianity and Islam, and it might not be unreasonable to suggest that it would have been better for Western civilization if Greece had moulded it on this question rather than Palestine.
— Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan
Christianity is inherently intolerant (see the 10 commandments).
Oh I wasn’t suggesting that Christianity was off the hook. It’s just that people do not require religion to be bigots.
Oh, so, perhaps… something along the lines of:
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion. — Steven Weinberg
…?
Only the big evangelist types or Mormons which isn’t all Christians. I know plenty of Christians who are quiet about it and only talk about it if you bring it up, unlike people really into politics. Even with Mormons I’ve known many who don’t say anything about it and even sneak in coffee…
Go to a Unitarian church where people will usually identify as Christian.
I’d have to agree with you, and appreciate the thought regarding not over generalizing Christians, but I understand why people tend to.
Example: Remember cake lady from Indiana? She was a bigot. It pissed me off when she tried to use the excuse of ‘religious beliefs’. Since she specifically claimed Christianity, I call total BS on the grounds that Jesus NEVER treated anyone like shit (aside from the other religious people, which following that thought, means she would have gotten called out). Jesus always gave people grace, and then offered advise (specific to Christianity). I would so much rather people be honest and say they don’t like ____, instead of some BS hiding behind their own distorted version of faith. I don’t have to agree with their opinion, just don’t lie about it.
Also, I’ve never had any person who’s gay try to ‘convert’ me, ever. You could get a bunch of comedy bits out of that one though. I have had mormons and jo’s witnesses come by. They were nice, but if I wanted to waste a bunch of time talking, I would definitely ask them to explain views on dancing, sexuality, etc.
The only pro gay conversion I’ve ever been exposed to was movies/TV shows advocating for it being a ‘normal’ thing. I suppose that’s because in the US, it’s still considered ‘weird’ or wrong, and writers are trying to back it for what I imagine are civil rights reasons.
I’m not sure why it’s so hard to stop caring about stuff that doesn’t matter (to me). I have never cared about a person’s orientation.
I mean there is a benefit to convert someone to your sexuality (you fugg’em) but the very sentence I wrought there sounds insane and outlandish I don’t understand how you would go about that.
