Our Revolution, founded by the independent senator from Vermont, is telling Michigan voters to spurn Biden in the state’s Democratic primary.
  • The Snark Urge@lemmy.worldEnglish
    492·
    9 months ago

    I think it’s perfectly strategic to fuck around and vote your conscience in a primary, but when the chips are down the system (by design really) only supports mainstream options. The fact that Sanders is going pro-Biden speaks to me that he’s trying really hard to work with the Dem party. Politics has certainly made stranger bedfellows, none of this seems that dramatic or surprising.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      341·
      9 months ago

      He’s always been like that.

      Dudes spent decades saying third party would just fuck as all over, that’s why he runs in the Dem primary, but Independent in generals.

      He’s always said the only way out of the current system is from within during primaries.

      Which is why it’s so concerning the DNC demanded the NH state party violate state laws for their primary date then yanked their delegates when they followed the law.

      NH kept going progressive over establishment, and now they don’t get to vote. In four years republicans will likely still control NH state government, have zero reason to change the law, and NH Dems will still be legally required to schedule theirs first.

      Is the DNC going to tank their delegates again?

      What the fuck do we do if it happens?

      • The Snark Urge@lemmy.worldEnglish
        71·
        9 months ago

        Ah, now I’m up to speed.

        I guess at this point I’m running out of ways to have hope for this republic. I’ll get back to you on that maybe.

        • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          9 months ago

          Don’t lose hope. Thats what they want. Stay angry, stay fighting the establishment. Its the only thing worth breathing for if you want our descendents to have any chance.

        • Vash63@lemmy.world
          21·
          9 months ago

          I wouldn’t worry, the Republic part will probably be fine. The representatives will just continue to become increasingly unrepresentative. It may cease to be a representative democracy but will probably still be a republic.

  • Neato@ttrpg.networkEnglish
    113·
    9 months ago

    "Our Revolution is a completely independent organization and the Senator had no part in their decision,” Sanders spokeswoman Anna Bahr said in a statement. “Bernie is supporting the President’s re-election and wants him to do well in the Michigan primary and elsewhere.

    "I am working with some people who feel like they will never vote for Joe Biden, but there are many, many, many I feel will vote for Joe Biden on Nov. 5 if he changes course,” Levin told the paper. “This is the best way I can help Joe Biden.”

    Yeah I can see why Sanders wouldn’t back this. It’s a group of people who won’t vote for Biden at the general election and are single issue voters. You also wouldn’t want to use a low primary vote if you thought it would hurt the general election as well by displaying they are unpopular. Beating Trump is more important than a symbolic vote since Trump will be magnitudes worse for Palestinians than Biden.

    • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
      412·
      9 months ago

      Yeah I can see why Sanders wouldn’t back this. It’s a group of people who won’t vote for Biden at the general election and are single issue voters. You also wouldn’t want to use a low primary vote if you thought it would hurt the general election as well by displaying they are unpopular. Beating Trump is more important than a symbolic vote since Trump will be magnitudes worse for Palestinians than Biden.

      What on gods green earth makes you think that our revolution voters wouldn’t vote Biden in the general, apart from the fact that Biden is directly and unquestionably supporting the genocide of the Palestinian people?

      Candidates need to work to earn your support, and these weak ass primaries are pretty much the only way we have of engaging with the system. This is when you have the chance to do something.

      I’ve been a supporter of both Bernie and our revolution since their inception. This is an opportunity Bernie is missing to call Biden out on his shit foreign policy (policies that Bernie has been singular in ressisting in congress) and get Biden back on track to no completely fucking up and losing this election (which is what is happening). Bernie could have taken the bully pulpit and fixed a major aspect of Bidens foreign policy that is currently losing him the 24’ election.

      Bernie goofed here.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      9 months ago

      And left it…

      Should he be forever loyal to a group because he was in the past?

      That’s what Biden openly says about Israel, no matter the atrocities they commit, he’s been publicly and proudly saying he will always support Israel 100%.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          9 months ago

          Why are you calling it a caucus?

          And this is about voting in a primary, one that’s largely performative and the DNC ordeded a state to violate a state law, and when they refused, the DNC took their delegates.

          Why do you think primary votes mean anything this election?

          • Rapidcreek@lemmy.worldOP
            28·
            9 months ago

            A caucus is just a group. This is the progressive Caucus.

            "Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is declining to join a progressive group he co-founded in encouraging Michigan voters to spurn President Joe Biden over his support for Israel’s assault on Gaza,”

            First of all, I didn’t know that Progressives intended to demonstrate a non vote for the head of their own party, especially since AOC had nice things to say about Biden yesterday. Secondly, Bernie wouldn’t put up with it and broke with them.