Maybe all of those in favor of the protests kept their word and only those who are against it remain?
I don’t miss Reddit. I checked some comment sections and holy hell is it toxic compared to here. I think part of that is because of what you’ve mentioned in your comment.
I used to work for this major company, biggest in my country by far.
Whether it was going well or poorly, they tended to offer severance packages to “cut back” on their staff, to appease the grotesquely overpaid consultants that analysed their finances.
What tended to happen, was that the most qualified people, who had no issues finding another job (often better paying), took those packages (I took home a one year salary after having worked there almost three, then had two months vacation and started a better paying job), which left those who didn’t really have other options, those who did the bare minimum and had a lot of useless meetings.
I guess that’s what reddit is heading for. They are alienating those who contribute the most, the content creators, the mods and the ones who like to engage others. They will be left with their bots, lurkers, racists, reposters and porn-spammers.
Good riddance.
Completely agree. I’m kinda hoping the substance of reddit just moves to lemmy and none of us will have to deal with so many tools and trolls.
The trash will still escape Reddit. As evidenced by my being here :)
Aww, but you’re a loveable trash, just like us. 🥰
Trash gang unite!
The very minor and surmountable technical barrier of joining the fediverse will do wonders to screen out users capable only of the lowest effort.
It’s really nice to have this “filter” of a complexity because many people who do that low effort stuff don’t want to put effort in even trying to learn a new system (geschweige denn) one of the complexity of the fediverse. If you are ready to go through the process of undertsanding the system you are most likely a valuable part of the community
This comment made me feel better about joining even though I’m slightly confused by it. Knowing that there is a barrier for everyone and that my willingness to learn is a sign of my value being here makes me feel more confident
I also think the Advertising subs don’t care much. You know the ones that are content rich from the posters but actually modded by the organisation the sub is for.
For example /r/razer mods being linked to taking bribes and specific subs dedicated to a brand.
They have nice communities but they’ll stay.
Good for you! I recently changed jobs to a more stable position after asking for years to be put on full time staff at my old one. Once they filled a position with an outside hire instead of bringing me on full time, I knew it was the end of the road. Now I get paid almost twice as much plus amazing benefits to do about half the work.
I miss my smaller and niche subs. I don’t think I’ve waded into the default subs in a very long time.
Oh well, to everything there is a season, right?
holy hell is it toxic compared to here
I cannot agree more! I went to reddit (wirhour an acc) and just… wow. Did it got worse or was I always blind to how awful that place was?
I think you are seeing some withdrawal symptoms honestly. People are addicted to scrolling for their next dopamine hit. When that’s taken away they get cranky. Add the anonymous nature of being online and things get toxic real fast.
I think you are exacly right.
Cranky
is the best word to describe it and your explanation as to the reasons sounds reasonable. I believe that people will also get more frustrated when they notice less quality posts and comments…
I was IP banned from Reddit so I only got to use it without an account for the last few months. It’s very toxic. The front page (not logged in) is so fucked.
I don’t miss Reddit.
How’d you manage to get IP banned??
I was banned from /r/Android because I prefer a Google Pixel over a Samsung device (yay, corrupt mods!)
I forgot, and I commented using one of my many alts. I was temporarily suspended from Reddit as a whole for “ban evasion”.
My friends visited, who have Reddit accounts, and when they connected to my WiFi Reddit immediately perma-banned ALL of us, including all of my brand accounts for my company for “continuous ban evasion”, despite me not posting anything from any of my accounts.
I’ll be real. I miss it for very specific subs. It’s definitely more toxic but small game subs and stuff like that I miss
Poke back and encourage mod teams to move here.
That’s not a bad idea
Ever tried having a discussion in any of the default subs? If your opinion differentiates from the hivemind you will be downvoted as spam, without any responses. It completely defeats the purpose of a “discussion”
I don’t see his it won’t happen here. The vote structure is very similar.
Yeah that is true, but it wasn’t as bad on reddit back in the day (as far as I remember), it seems to have happened after reddit went super-mainstream a few years ago. So I am hoping lemmy will be like that until it “potentially” becomes super popular lol
What if Lemmy becomes so successful and then it gets acquired by Reddit? Lol.
Think of the big corps like Google, Facebook, etc. buying the competitors for their products.
The federated decentralized nature of Lemmy and it being open-source means that when this happens the users laugh at whoever paid for an instance and celebrate whoever got the bag and all migrate to a new instance.
See AdBlock -> AdBlock + -> Ublock -> Unlock Origin for a story of idiot capitalists donating massive sums of money only to buy a product that is quite literally drop-in replaceable by design… and Lemmy makes this process even easier than that.
Then you can move to another instance or host your own. They can’t buy them all up.
Lmfao, imagine some corpo trying to buy up all the instances one by one while the users all migrate out of the instance immediately when that happens. That would be hilarious.
It’s getting really bad. I’m noticing there being a lot of comments in subs where there barely were any and any mention of the blackout and what might happen after the 30th is met by tons of downvotes and removal. Tinfoil hat but it feels like there are bots making these bad faith comments.
Considering Spez once edited another user’s comments, I would not put that tinfoil hat theory past him.
I miss Apollo. Turns out Reddit itself was highly replaceable.
Memmy is pretty close, and directly inspired by Apollo.
It’s still very very early but there’s a lot of the same gesture features that Apollo had.
Could not agree more with you. This has been a very positive experience and has really add transitioning away from Reddit a smooth experience
I think this might actually be the case. Let’s see how things work out. Lemmy surprised me as a proper alternative it’s just not as content rich as reddit at the moment. Something about chickens and eggs.
Let’s just expand and improve it further than the original lemmies did. Don’t be afraid to post content, heck scrape content and make this the better option. People will follow content.
I’d like to add that there’s already been a significant increase in the amount of content and comments in just the last few days. I joined a whole 5 days ago (so many ages ago, I know) and back then it was somewhere between 1 and 2k users on this instance. It was way emptier - you could read all of the posts in most of the “big” communities in an hour or so. And the new feed was pretty stale.
Lemmy’s not the firehose of content that is Reddit yet, but it’s making real progress.
it’s just not as content rich as reddit at the moment
This can change fast.
You should’ve seen it two weeks ago.
Like I normally don’t post, but I’ve started even making root posts in different groups.
I just switched over to lemmy from reddit, and it is much nicer here isn’t riddled with ads and toxicity. I just hope that more users do join over here, since there were a few subreddits/people I followed and would still like to see there updates/posts
Might have to create some of those subs yourself. But yeah, getting the userbase up might be a struggle for a bit.
There’s something to that. Hearing stories of subreddits reopen and ask the userbase what they want to do, well, who exactly are they asking? I’m not there, and I’ve seen plenty of posts from others who are also not there. Are they taking silence as votes against? I doubt it.
I’m going to go back to reddit for a bit, but only to encourage mod teams to setup shop here.
and you know what? I am happier to be around people that keep their word.
Literally. The people in favor of the protests are… Protesting! Everybody else doesn’t care.
tbats one of the reasons we are all (still) here. these are the people we want to be with.
I think this is mostly what’s goin on. Also I’d be pretty surprised if reddit didn’t have it’s own astroturfing force that accounted for a chunk of this backlash.
I just promised that I won’t use reddit on my phone after the 30.6.2023
This comment is incorrect as well.
The people that cared left and what’s left behind is people that wouldn’t leave anyway and the strike only bothers them.
This person is living in a bubble and can’t see further than their nose.
Survivorship bias!
Absolutely agree.
I believe this was reddit’s intention at least in part. People who care were also those constantly exposing their anti-consumer practices and greedy policies. I’m inclined to believe the administration will be pretty glad, at least for a while, that those who get what’s happening are gone.
we have had the first wave - and its gone well. second wave is incomming on or about the 30th - probably smaller, but no less committed (long term). after that its a war of attrition.
unrelated to your comment (sorta), but I just saw your comment update in real time after you edited it. I just thought that’s a really cool feature and wanted to point it out :)
realtime comment subscriptions are pretty damn slick.
Ok that’s pretty neat.
While it is neat I don’t see it offering a good user experience.
The reason this shouldn’t be in here, in a forum platform, is that if you go to the front page and try to read
newit keeps bouncing up and down because it’s constantly updating.Ohh wow. Just logged into the desktop site. Even browsing Hot it bounces around. That’s not good. I’ve been using Jerboa app and it’s been fine.
Theres already a github issue about this. Think the lemmy devs are on top of fixing it soon.
I believe this will be gone very soon though once they remove websockets
AFAIK this is true. But expect the site stability to be improved as a result.
Yup, it will be interesting to see what happens when the moderation really starts to suffer and subs are more and more full of ads, spam, trolls, and other kinds of problems.
Then the third wave when they finally kill off old.reddit.com
You know I see that a lot of people love old reddit. I was a fan of it 10 years ago. When it switched to the modern layout, I think I was kind indifferent at first. But trying to go back to it after all these years, it seems like a downgrade in many ways. I guess I’m not seeing what they’re seeing lol.
More than 3 comments in a chain
Yeah, I’m sure it’ll die down more once the third party apps shut down. I wonder how many people are in it for the social aspect of Reddit anymore anyway, or if it isn’t just a constant scroll and upvote thing.
Yep, I feel like a lot of people are forgetting about the wave coming at the end of the month. We’ll see plenty more people then.
I think the 30th will be smaller, but the ones who do participate will be more likely to go indefinite as users who just can’t stand the official app are forced to quit.
You say smaller, but I’m thinking a lot of people will realise that their clients actually don’t work anymore on that date 😂
Yeah I think they’re underestimating how many people just won’t use the official app. The people who use Apollo, RiF, Relay, etc. are pretty attached.
I know for me reddit is just the app on my phone that I press when I’m bored now. I figured when the app doesn’t work anymore I’ll just find entertainment elsewhere, which is how I found the fediverse. Now that I’m here the whole concept of decentralized interconnected communities has totally sold me on the project.
The problem with reddit, Twitter, twitch, etc. as I see it is that they’re all just trying to profit off their users somehow. That’s not conducive to fostering healthy communities of people. I think this whole thing is the future of social networking, take the big corps out of the equation.
micro, small, large… whatever size the next wave is, lemmy has passed its first real test. I have a feeling we are going to be pretty well prepared for whatever comes next.
The fediverse is the way. I’m not smart enough to say if it’s the best option, but it’s a hell of a lot better than a profit driven monolith run by out of touch investors. Reddit won’t implode but it won’t be the same as it was even a week ago. This decentralized structure is what the internet wants to be.
It’s either fediverse or nostr. But nostr is more twitter-like than reddit-like and is filled with cryptobros so no thanks no
filled with cryptobros
Ah, so it’s terrible.
deleted by creator
??? It’s just a euphemism
What?
The fediverse has one thing going for it that any other alternative lacks: a credible approach to dealing with the network effect. In isolation, it is very difficult to start an independent social media website. This becomes much, much easier when you have neighboring sites that you can interact with. Federation serves as a catalyst. I’ve been longing for the proliferation of open source social media for over 15 years. Nothing has changed the state of affairs more thoroughly than the introduction of federation.
One way I’m looking at this opportunity is like email, anyone can set up an email server thanks to how it got established. So if this pans out and eventually we get funded hosts in the vein of Gmail and Hotmail, who spend money writing fancy UIs and on marketing, we still have a fundamental base where we can shuffle away from the big players and go set up our own servers.
I do hope to see some funded options come into this space, they can control/own their interface into the data, but they can’t control/own the data.
as long as we are vigilant for the microsoft method of embrace, extend, extingush/enshittify we will be good.
I look forward to the day of Lemmy IE6 with custom activex features.
How would that realistically happen on Lemmy?
Server costs, lawyers, management will add up eventually. Ads or other financial incentives will take part in this at some point. The biggest instance, which will have the most funding, could monopolize by defederating others. Though with future account portability it could be made impossible. As in if reddit was the instance, most communities and users would seamlessly move over to others. But right now the risk is real.
Beehaw just defederated lemmy.world and users have to either move with the bigger fediverse of lemmy.world or stay confined to their isolated instance.
Why did beehaw defederate?
Too few moderators, poor modding tools, no backchannel to original instance, overwhelming amount of users from big instance.
There’s also a non-zero chance this is astroturfing by Reddit itself as part of Damage Control SOP.
(For that matter, this instance would seem more along the lines of a weaponized “backdraft”, IMHO. A rather simple way to turn the subs against their mods to crank up the heat, eh?)
I think people are seeing Reddit as their only solution right now due to the lack of awareness of this place. It’s been a bit sad to see all the news articles written about the event but very few plugs for alternate options to visit.
I just wonder if all the anti Lemmy posts I’ve seen have been Reddit employees
Funny you mention that, I found out about Lemmy specifically from a dude who was being downvoted to hell for even mentioning it as an alternative. So glad I decided to look into it I love this place and the whole idea of the fediverse in general.
I understand that the fediverse isn’t the most intuitive thing to understand, and that many people won’t immediately understand it, but I’ve seen so many comments saying that it’s too confusing (even in response to direct links to instances with the simplest explanations). There has to be an astroturfing campaign of some kind going on
Probably written by AI even. Trolls can do that now.
investor class protectng its latest cash-cow.
Lazy people fearing change is more like it. I’m waiting to see if capitulation occurs. If things don’t get fixed by month end I’ll zero my main account and walk away.
I’ve been telling people, the only way this works is if communities migrate somewhere else. Every single blacked out subreddit needs to post their new location on a site other than Reddit. Otherwise people will just stay on Reddit and wait or visit/make new subreddits.
It’s nice how many threads I actually open to read the comments on here, on Reddit I regularly scrolled past 20 or more posts before finding something interesting again, on lemmy it’s every 2nd thread or more
This has been my experience as well. I would venture into Reddit comment sections sparingly. It’s not like you find a lot of quality discussion in there anyway. Just rehashed jokes, puns, and comments aimed at appealing to the audience to earn more points. I spend way more time in the comments here. I’m just trying to shake the lurker mentality and get back into contributing.
I feel like a lot of people are forgetting about survivorship bias as well. If all the people who supported the blackout left Reddit, then the only people left would be the ones who aren’t in favour :)
This is a very good perspective. I haven’t been on Reddit since the blackout started. Probably would have gone back as well but the AMA comments were the final straw for me.
Honestly Spez’s attitude in general towards the entire community is what drove me away. I don’t really care that much about the 3rd party apps personally. I do use one occasionally, but I primarily use the website. However, I don’t think the users, mods and developers are being unreasonable here in what they’re asking for and he basically just spat in their faces, lied to and about them, and then pretended he was willing to discuss and work with them while his actions pretty clearly showed that he actually had no intention whatsoever of actually doing anything of the sort.
If you’re not willing to budge, just say that. Don’t lie to my face while very clearly doing the exact opposite of what you’re saying. If you don’t want 3rd party apps anymore, just say that instead of promising to work with developers and then basically giving them the middle finger when they try to communicate with you about it. That sort of thing shows exactly what he thinks of the community that has built his company for him and that’s the reason he can shove what’s left of reddit right up his ass as far as I’m concerned.
Reading your comment triggered me a bit about spez and I almost downvoted you on impulse lmao. Interesting thought, makes me remember ancient kings killing random messengers because they didn’t like the message they carried.
I checked it this morning, it just doesn’t have the same appeal anymore. Being pushed to investigate other avenues does carry the risk to make you realize there are other avenues :).
Personally I ran the Power Delete Suite (https://codepen.io/j0be/full/WMBWOW/ ) and removed my account. I can’t vote anymore.
I’ve installed a Firefox Plugin that redirects reddit links to the cached archive.org version (https://lemmy.world/post/146892 ) so that I won’t accidently visit reddit.comHumans just keep forgetting that in all areas of life. Yeah champ, this 70 year old made it from rags to riches, but there is a good chunk not making it to half of that for many reasons.
I used Reddit because I was bored and watching tv. I barely interacted. I am interacting on Lemmy. There was a lot of angry, toxic people on Reddit. So I am glad they are staying there
You just made me realize I’ve been sitting here for two hours in a now-dark room and I haven’t turned the TV on yet. Fediverse truly is like the old reddit.
Man, this is true. So far my experience has been less stressful and more wholesome on the fediverse. It feels more like Reddit from 8 years ago than modern, angry Reddit.
Honeymoon period
and you can potentially replicate that honeymoon period on a wide variety of instances and local communities, each with their own vibe.
And here your one voice can have an impact on a mag or community. Your contributions can grow a community, and change how it feels.
On Reddit, even a small community is 10,000+ members, your voice is drowned out by thousands of others, your contribution is barely registered.
Part of it is the smaller base, but hopefully with more folks coming in, the different instances can help maintain that vibe
ya i just hope we all can keep the energy. just like anything social media is a habit so if a majority of us refugees can just make this shit the new habit, soon this place will feel very similar
i dont need 1000s of reposts. i need some good quality shit and good comments and ill stick around i think
i still have RiF on my phone. but when thats dead, ill only go to reddit for its legacy shit. the help comments and shit. i wish someone could scrape all the info off reddit and put it somewhere else. i can barely tie my shoes so i dont understand how that would work but i just dont wanna loose old reddit shit
My fediverse experience got much calmer after joining an instance that blocks some problematic instances as well. I recommend beehaw.org to everyone.
Everyone on DIY loves my kind of basic project that I posted. It’s a pleasant feeling
This person can suck it. I was a big time Reddit fan (mostly a lurker) but I decided to continue my boycott of Reddit as long as u/spez is in play and even when he leaves they would need to do a lot to get me to go back. The Fediverse still has some work to do with QoL features but overall it is a less toxic world than Reddit and refreshing to take part in. When mlem and other phone apps really get going I think it will really attract a lot more users as a lot of folks are phone only users and we’ll see the Fediverse really take hold.
I don’t understand. Maybe it’s my adhd and lack of object permanence, but I have been so unbothered by the lack of Reddit.
I bought a plant today. I’ve never bought a plant. I bought cats before buying a houseplant. I’m pretty stoked—and it’s mostly because I was scrolling through Reddit that I got up to do it.
I signed up to Lemmy like 4 months ago and dropped off due to a lack of users. I’m enjoying it a lot more now with all the reddugees around.
I like “Reddugees”. Rexit is real.
I’ve also found that, for the most part, the type of people that left Reddit have been a lot more pleasant to interact with. I don’t hate it at all. There’re still a few subs I really miss, but so far Lemmy has been doing a pretty good job of filling the role of time sink.
Honestly reddit quality has degraded greatly in the last few years. I blame it on commercial propaganda (half of the posts are shilling something or karma farming) and original content being punished by auto moderator.
Not going back to Reddit ever, too much bs.
I’m getting downvoted in the /r/gis sub for agreeing with the mods that there should be an indefinite shutdown. It seems all that are left on the site are people simping for /u/spez. Some person even called me a “fucking idiot.” Glad to be off that toxic dumpster fire of a website.
See, I really don’t need all those people to leave Reddit and appear over here.
I’m fine if Reddit keeps being what Reddit has become over the years, and all the angry, toxic, trolling, shit posting people stay over there as well.
I’m fine with a much smaller, much friendlier community.
That’s fair. I just think the whole “fediverse thing” will keep the toxic normies away while the OG redditors from the olden days will be more likely to migrate. Old redditors seemed to be more technical minded, so I figure it’ll be self-filtering.
I agree though, I don’t want that toxicity here. I’ve already experienced one such encounter on lemmy and was surprised.
Edit: Should have read the context first. I thought you were responding to my editing all old reddit comments to point users to lemmy, lol. My point still stands regarding that.
I have noticed this so much today. I pretty much lived in r/hockey for the past 5 years. They had a vote and decided to black out for the 48 hour protest. Once it was clear that the vote was in favor of blacking out (and that the championship deciding game could be played during the blackout), people started pleading to move the blackout to after the championship was decided, which completely defeats the purpose of the protest.
Well, during the blackout, the championship was decided. Now that it’s open again, everyone is again flipping out about how pointless the protests were, and how we ruined their experience of watching the championship game.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I generally watch hockey because I like watching hockey. I feel like you might have a social media addiction if not being able to browse reddit ruins the experience. Crazy stuff.
Yeah, I don’t mind checking into match threads now and then, but I don’t get the people that constantly monitor them, especially in the larger threads where you can barely discuss anything.
It reminds me of people that sit on their phones while watching a TV show/movie. Just defeats the point.
Personally, I like the Lemmy community better. It’s definitely possible to find great stuff on reddit (and in particular for news, I think reddit is superior to what I’ve been finding on Lemmy), but the overall ratio of content : crap is much, much higher here.
Now that I’ve broken the seal, I honestly am not sure what people are going back to so eagerly on reddit. Maybe just the dopamine of lots and lots of stories and comments to interact with, or maybe they’re part of something I don’t interact with there.
There are a lot of subreddits for specific tv shows or games. Ngl that’s the biggest temptation for me. There are shows that I’m obsessed with that no one else in my life has the same love for, and Reddit is the only place I can talk to anyone about them. Sad to let that go.
It’s a matter of number of users. The big subs on reddit just have too many people that it just becomes toxic and a circlejerk. The biggest communities here are very nice.
The niche hobby/gaming/tv subs on reddit on the other hand have enough people to have interesting discussion on the topic. There’s not enough people on Lemmy to find enough like minded people on niche interests.
Assuming that this is an inevitable trade-off, I wouldn’t mind if Lemmy never attracts the number of users like reddit does.
Yah, I get that. You could start a community here and wait for it to form up and interact, and do reddit in the meantime (or forever if the community stays on reddit forever)… I actually don’t agree that “we” have to “win” by “punishing” reddit for their bad behavior towards the mods and app developers. It just comes down to what platform you want to be on to interact I think.
Hobbies too, especially more obscure ones. I’m really missing the journal/planner subs.
I knew I’d be tempted to go back, though, so I deleted my 13year old account. No regrets and I’m not signing up again. I just hope that my little communities find their way into the fediverse soon.
It’s going to take a longer time to fill up the less tech-inclined subs. /c/Self-hosted is growing quickly but I’m probably not going to see that with /c/crochet for a bit. If your journaling sub is unrestricted on Reddit maybe you could make a post advertising the Lemmy community.
I would, but I deleted my account a couple of days ago. Oops lol
The hardest part for me was realizing how shit Google search is without appending reddit.
Someone made a firefox plugin that redirects to archive.org Wayback Machine cache version of reddit:
It’s crazy, I never noticed before. I wanted to search something about a game yesterday and the first five hits were Reddit threads, the others were clickbait. And I didn’t even append “reddit” as a search term. It was a simple search.
There must be other terms. I don’t know them but there should be other ways of searching organic content outside of reddit.
You can append -reddit to your search and it hides all non reddit resultsy idk if that was what you meant
no, i know that, what i meant was, specifically, to search for organic content, which is the value of Reddit, that it is content made by users for users, not by SEO clickbait corporations filling the internet with mediocre content. My idea is that there should be other keywords that are not
site:reddit.comthat also provide a certain increase in quality results for your questions.Yeah I kind of overread/forgot about the word organic in your comment but i agree, thanks for clearing that up
Completely agree. We need to start building that stuff and contributing more in the fediverse so that can’t be a thing in the future
months back, I was trying to do something on a Switch, and could not figure it out. the official Nintendo resources were useless, so of course I found a post on reddit. sure enough, a few comments down was the hyper-specific answer I was looking for.
All of these subs should have been linking to a comparable Lemmy community instead of just saying they were protesting. The simple fact of the matter is that the lemmyverse is not mature enough of a platform to actually be a reddit replacement. It needs to get a lot of the kinks worked out and it needs a much better onboarding. Hopefully it can take these new users and steadily grow and while they grow they can fix these issues.
Yeah, but early adopters will weather the storm. Remember how shitty the Reddit servers used to be? Lemmy will continue to improve and more and more users will find a home here.
