I hate feeling like an expendable human resource. When I was laid off it was completely without advanced notice, they’re never considerate enough to notify you two weeks in advance (like we are supposed to do).
It’s not like the executive types are known for their empathy. I’ve seen the Chairman of the Board throw full on temper tantrums (and throwing stuff) at his subordinates. They have zero qualms laying us off if it means it increases this quarter’s bottom line.
In fairness, you usualy get severance that is more than 2 weeks, and you don’t even have to go to work to collect it.
That said, in like spain, I think they have to employ you until you find a new job or something.
Everyone who gets severance is a real human being, I think you’re referring to so-called “people” like myself that are blue collar. Our severance is “don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, we’ll make you pay to have it cleaned.”
I mean, most companies do provide severance when they do massive layoffs. Usually because its required by law in that particular state, sometimes as a way to reduce wrongful termination suits, and( rarely )because it’s the right thing to do.
But severance is actually fairly common–especially when you hear about the googles, facebooks, amazons of the world doing them.
I’m pretty sure those googlers that got let go got 6 months salary + benefits.
That’s a pretty weak source. It reeks of bias and it also seemed to target fast food and gig economy workers. Not exactly who we are discussing in this thread.
Salaried people from large organizations typically, most of the time, get severance during mass layoffs.
It surveyed over a thousand people and had a margin of error of like 2-3%. Data isn’t really a weak source and it’s better than no source. Do you have anything to support your claim that most workers get severance pay besides you saying so?
A thousand? My anecdotal evidence covered more than that by just reading a news article about one tech company. I am more than willing to admit there is a huge divide between hourly and salaried employees on this subject. But given that the current news these days is about tech layoffs of salaried people, I took the cartoon to be talking about them.
Been part of large corp. Was laid off during a “reduction in force”. No severance.
Non-union/non-CBA covered staff have no legal mandate to receive severance (depending on state). Severance is exclusively between the employer and employee.
Severance today is pretty much and attempt at hush money. In order to get the money, you usually have to agree to not sue them, and keep company information secret. They also often try to toss in non-compete clauses into the terminology.
The more risk you are to the company, the larger the severance package is.
My first layoff, I knew the entire companies 5 year plan (I wrote it) and was debating a hefty lawsuit against the head of HR and CEO for illegal termination and retaliation = Full-year severance + full benefits and a placement service. Gave me time to reassess swap to a different area of the industry.
My second layoff, I knew all of the companies suppliers, plans and strategies. They laid me off and only gave me 10 weeks of severance. I have since fucked them over by talking 95% of their suppliers and over half of their customers. They have had 10% layoffs every year since then. They should have paid me more.
I was an Assistant Manager of a well-established, popular restaurant franchise about eight years ago now. Business was fine, probably showing a modest black line on their financial reports.
“This location is no longer in operation.”
That’s all the advance notice I received when I arrived for my scheduled shift and all the doors were locked. No two-week-notice, no severance package.
Publicly-traded corporations don’t care about their employees, their only concern lies within how to spend as little money as possible. Employee benefits included.
One demographic are folks who appreciate their employment and subsequently lose said job because of corporate decision, while the other demographic you state are people who make the conscious decision to quit a job. That’s comparing apples to oranges and making a blanket statement about all workers within that industry, or honestly any given industry. Your argument is moot.
In addition to what was already written on the matter in this thread, if you don’t have a residence permit, when you’re fired without a prior notice you’ll only have so much time to find another company to hire you. Otherwise it’s a bye-bye and you can go fuck yourself in some other country. I wouldn’t say that’s something that can be easily beaten by a severance at least if it’s not some astronomically huge one like a year of salary or more
Sure, but anyone working without a residence permit knows that going in.
Noone is say companies are giving out severance from the goodness of thier heart. Just that for most positions 2 weeks notice of quitting is a reasonable ask. And honestly, the company can’t do anything if you don’t give it. It’s really your coworkers who will speak poorly of you to other companies.
I hate feeling like an expendable human resource. When I was laid off it was completely without advanced notice, they’re never considerate enough to notify you two weeks in advance (like we are supposed to do).
It’s not like the executive types are known for their empathy. I’ve seen the Chairman of the Board throw full on temper tantrums (and throwing stuff) at his subordinates. They have zero qualms laying us off if it means it increases this quarter’s bottom line.
That’s why I quit recently with no notice. They asked and I said “you didn’t give one the last 4 rounds of layoffs, so why should I?”
I live in a country where the company or you need to notify the other 2-6 months in advance. You can only quiet earlier if it is mutual.
I recommend joining a Union so you can also have the safety benefits that we do.
In fairness, you usualy get severance that is more than 2 weeks, and you don’t even have to go to work to collect it. That said, in like spain, I think they have to employ you until you find a new job or something.
Lol, severance? Did you get lost and end up in the 50s?
Everyone who gets severance is a real human being, I think you’re referring to so-called “people” like myself that are blue collar. Our severance is “don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, we’ll make you pay to have it cleaned.”
At least when you’re union your rep hands out step by step instructions on how to file for unemployment and tells you that the company won’t fight it.
I mean, most companies do provide severance when they do massive layoffs. Usually because its required by law in that particular state, sometimes as a way to reduce wrongful termination suits, and( rarely )because it’s the right thing to do.
But severance is actually fairly common–especially when you hear about the googles, facebooks, amazons of the world doing them.
I’m pretty sure those googlers that got let go got 6 months salary + benefits.
https://www.nelp.org/publication/fired-with-no-reason-no-warning-no-severance-the-case-for-replacing-at-will-employment-with-a-just-cause-standard/
1 out of 3 is not most, and this data comes from 2022. I’ve read elsewhere that this number might be around 40-42% now, which is still not most.
That’s a pretty weak source. It reeks of bias and it also seemed to target fast food and gig economy workers. Not exactly who we are discussing in this thread.
Salaried people from large organizations typically, most of the time, get severance during mass layoffs.
We arent talking about Lyft deactivating drivers.
It surveyed over a thousand people and had a margin of error of like 2-3%. Data isn’t really a weak source and it’s better than no source. Do you have anything to support your claim that most workers get severance pay besides you saying so?
A thousand? My anecdotal evidence covered more than that by just reading a news article about one tech company. I am more than willing to admit there is a huge divide between hourly and salaried employees on this subject. But given that the current news these days is about tech layoffs of salaried people, I took the cartoon to be talking about them.
What’s crazier than your weirdly combative, out of touch comment is the fact 6 other people decided to upvote it.
When large corps make news laying off 30% of staff, those people are getting severance packages.
Did you get lost and end up in the 1850s?
Been part of large corp. Was laid off during a “reduction in force”. No severance.
Non-union/non-CBA covered staff have no legal mandate to receive severance (depending on state). Severance is exclusively between the employer and employee.
Severance today is pretty much and attempt at hush money. In order to get the money, you usually have to agree to not sue them, and keep company information secret. They also often try to toss in non-compete clauses into the terminology.
The more risk you are to the company, the larger the severance package is.
My first layoff, I knew the entire companies 5 year plan (I wrote it) and was debating a hefty lawsuit against the head of HR and CEO for illegal termination and retaliation = Full-year severance + full benefits and a placement service. Gave me time to reassess swap to a different area of the industry.
My second layoff, I knew all of the companies suppliers, plans and strategies. They laid me off and only gave me 10 weeks of severance. I have since fucked them over by talking 95% of their suppliers and over half of their customers. They have had 10% layoffs every year since then. They should have paid me more.
Damn I really fucked up by just ensuring my employers continue to produce products for a living
I was an Assistant Manager of a well-established, popular restaurant franchise about eight years ago now. Business was fine, probably showing a modest black line on their financial reports.
“This location is no longer in operation.”
That’s all the advance notice I received when I arrived for my scheduled shift and all the doors were locked. No two-week-notice, no severance package.
Publicly-traded corporations don’t care about their employees, their only concern lies within how to spend as little money as possible. Employee benefits included.
Sure, and people in tha industry regularly quit with no notice to. So not really what the cartoon was talking about.
One demographic are folks who appreciate their employment and subsequently lose said job because of corporate decision, while the other demographic you state are people who make the conscious decision to quit a job. That’s comparing apples to oranges and making a blanket statement about all workers within that industry, or honestly any given industry. Your argument is moot.
It’s not weirdly combative or out of touch. Here’s some data that says about 1 out of 3 employers offer severance. I’ve read elsewhere that number might be around 40-42%, but it also appears to fluctuate quite a bit from year to year. https://www.nelp.org/publication/fired-with-no-reason-no-warning-no-severance-the-case-for-replacing-at-will-employment-with-a-just-cause-standard/
Every salaried employee I know got severence when laid off. Not sure what you are on about.
I’m not saying your experience isn’t valid, but that’s anecdotal. Here’s some data that puts that number at 1 out of 3 employers. I’ve read elsewhere that number may be around 40-42% now, which is still not most employers. https://www.nelp.org/publication/fired-with-no-reason-no-warning-no-severance-the-case-for-replacing-at-will-employment-with-a-just-cause-standard/
My severance is 3 months. Full salary and I don’t even need to go to work
My buddy just got laid off on Thursday and got 3 months. Makes me wonder where you worked.
Everyone I’ve met has gotten severance.
In addition to what was already written on the matter in this thread, if you don’t have a residence permit, when you’re fired without a prior notice you’ll only have so much time to find another company to hire you. Otherwise it’s a bye-bye and you can go fuck yourself in some other country. I wouldn’t say that’s something that can be easily beaten by a severance at least if it’s not some astronomically huge one like a year of salary or more
Sure, but anyone working without a residence permit knows that going in. Noone is say companies are giving out severance from the goodness of thier heart. Just that for most positions 2 weeks notice of quitting is a reasonable ask. And honestly, the company can’t do anything if you don’t give it. It’s really your coworkers who will speak poorly of you to other companies.
That’s true, notice from a worker is more a sign of a food workplace relationship, I think