I don’t use windows. I prefer linux
Try not to talk about Linux on Lemmy challenge (impossible): failed.
In a world without borders and walls there is no need for windows and gates.
I wonder if you can tilt windows in Linux
Do I have an article for you: Linux is the only OS to support diagonal PC monitor mode — dev champions the case for 22-degree-rotation computing
Probably Compiz could do that…
23.9 degrees is optimal.
Imagine not having screens in your windows.
This post was made by the flying insects gang.
I’m in the US and have these windows. They have screens. They’re also not that special. I prefer the regular windows
I was starting to wonder if Europe didn’t have insects, because the hotels I’ve stayed in (in Europe) that had them didn’t have screens for them.
We have civilized insects, they respect our privacy and don’t enter unless they must.
You’re joking but that’s basically it, it’s just not an issue in most places.
I have these windows in Moscow, Russia since recently (had old windows with separate wooden frames with thick glass made somewhere about 70s, they looked nice though) and like that I can use the sill as a table with laptop and tea and some stuff now, and tilt it instead of moving the laptop aside.
Ah yes, the good old Russian anti-defenestration windows. I assume you have the FSB-mandated variant that is capable of both tilting and swinging, for… ease of access?
My brain had a segfault reading your comment, because the approved ones would obviously not be “anti-defenestration”, but yeah, swinging is nice
Yeah, sorry, my dark sense of humour didn’t combine very well with typing it out before my first cup of coffee.
I asked a builder why this was, and he said that the lateral forces created by a slightly tilted window has just enough force to rip the entire side of a house clean off due to houses having the structural integrity of wet newspaper, which is the preferred construction method in the States
US people, dry your newspapers before building your houses!
can’t tell if this is a troll or not. youre telling me people outside the states think we live in wet newspaper?
Well not wet newspaper exactly but I heard you have walls so thin the neighbours can hear your cell division
That’s how we got classics like Shut up, little man!
Depends on where you live. The US is huge and has a wide variety of building codes. I personally never hear my neighbors
I mean it exists for sure, but not something people expect when moving in places. usually correlates to the cost and age. decibels wise, it’s not too different than Europe imo. I lived in France and mother fuckers be yelling from their windows all day. I also lived in Germany and the walls are thick as shit, but mother fuckers have their windows open all day and yodelling. if you live near people, you’ll hear them some way or another. renting in the US is also much simpler. fuck Germany’s renting culture shit.
You’ve… you’ve never been out of your state, have you? 😂
People don’t…shout at eachother out of windows! What sort of savage would do that?
Oh, the ones in the movies you watched about Yurp. 😂
Hitting a wall and having any chance of the wall breaking isn’t really a thing outside the US. Everyone elsewhere notices that a lot in movies and videos. It’s not uncommon for children outside America to ask adults why Americans have paper walls. People being mad and punching a wall and putting a fist-sized hole in it, falling and breaking the wall or throwing anything and the thing getting stuck in the wall. In most of the world it’s you or the thing hitting the wall that’ll break, not the wall itself.
To clarify, the paper (and rock underneath it) are not the structural part of the house, they just cover the actual structural parts (the studs) and provide a pocket to fill with insulation.
The wall isn’t the structural integrity part of the house. And that’s for interior walls. You’re getting your opinions from the questions that children ask in other countries?
It’s an intentional exaggeration, but it’s true that houses in the US are usually built without a proper foundation and with thin walls.
They’re built differently depending on where you live in the states and your environment. I know y’all love staying ignorant to feel superior but this one is still pretty dumb. People in Japan practically have paper walls and I don’t see you guys all up your snobby butts about that. Xenophobic turds. It would take people 10 seconds to learn why some of our houses are built the way they are but they won’t bother if they haven’t by now because they prefer the ignorance.
You’re taking this a bit too seriously, man. It’s like when we joke about the British having fucked up teeth. Just ribbing each other.
You know that tool called stud finder that you use in America if you ever think about hanging a picture on the wall, or a TV, otherwise you risk your wall falling down with anything attached to it?
Never seen a stud finder in Europe.
It’s preferred because it’s cheap.
Nobody wants to pay a stone mason to put brick on the exterior of their homes. They used timber for a long time, but now all the new houses I’ve seen use the metal studs, which sounds great on paper until you realize it’s basically sheet metal stamped into a U kind of shape that’s the same size as a 2x4. It’s enough to hold up the drywall and maybe some pictures/paintings on the wall plus the occasional wall-mounted TV, but give it a couple hundred pounds of weight and it’s going to crumple into itself like aluminum foil.
Honestly, most of the strength in the wall is now because of the drywall. The “studs” just keep them from falling over.
Not saying timber was all that much better, but it could at least support someone standing on the top plate of a wall without folding in on itself.
Can I get my house built from concrete board instead?
I wish I could have a stone masonry building. My friend’s family used to own a hotel built by a stone mason. He invited us out to watch the company who bought it try to demolish it. Apparently they weren’t expecting proper brick and mortar to be so strong.
Yep, and a lot of modern brickwork isn’t designed to be structural, so many of the components used are basically poor substitutes for the “real deal” so to speak.
Stonework can be the strongest part of the building, or just little more than a facade.
In a nearby town, the second story brickwork of a building came off of the structure and fell into the sidewalk and road. I don’t believe anyone was hurt, but the point is, sometimes, the brickwork is little more than just a wall. Other times, it’s basically keeping the building upright. In that case, the building didn’t go anywhere after losing the brickwork.
I’m sure in your example, the brickwork was providing the primary support structure for the building, and it was built far better than what fell off of the building in my example.
Lol! Imagine thinking this is true.
Lol imagine reading this as a true statement. Fiction books must fuck you right up 😂
Can you please explain to me exactly why and how it was objectively obvious that OP’s comment was meant to be taken as some kind of joke or satire?
Because if you can’t, I have to think that you are little more than an arbitrarily condescending piece of shit.
It’s like when Americans say British people have fucked up teeth. I don’t actually believe that, I just say it to make British people mad.
Mocking our construction is a European joke that they love because it makes Americans mad. Simple as
Ok, I’ll walk you through it. I am OP btw
I believe the basic structure is called a “bait and switch”, a fairly common writing trick
I asked a builder why this was, and he said that the lateral forces created by a slightly tilted window
This is the “bait” bit. It sounds like a real comment so far
has just enough force to rip the entire side of a house clean off
This is the part where, if you didn’t have the reading comprehension of a six month old duck, you’d start to realise that, perhaps this wasn’t a serious comment. There’s no way a slightly tilted window is ripping the entire side of a house off, surely? That’s the “switch”
due to houses having the structural integrity of wet newspaper,
This line is pretty much only there as a setup to the next line. Houses, I’m sorry to inform you, do not have the structural integrity of wet newspaper. That would be as dangerous as it is impractical
which is the preferred construction method in the States
This bit, unsurprisingly, isn’t exactly true either
I hope, now that I’ve broken the comment into its constituant parts, that you’re rolling on the floor, clutching your aching ribs and laughing tears of joy.
Explaining jokes always makes them far funnier
In this case it’s true, I am laughing more at this than the actual joke (which I also laughed at). This back and forth was the setup and the explanation is the punchline.
Sorry Europeans, I can’t hear you over my HVAC system with abundant domestic methane reserves.
I wonder what it’s like not living in an air filtered, 70° F environment?
I prefer 70° C
So you have chosen…death
Jokes on you, my windows make a light breeze when shut!
I’d settle for socialized healthcare
How dare you. Just for one second think of someone other than yourself. How do you think the pharmaceutical companies are gonna feel about that? Or their poor shareholders? Pfizer’s CEO only made $33 million last year. How the hell do you expect him to feed his kids when he’s not making that much because your precious healthcare system ate into his meager earnings. The medical corporations are barely scraping by!!
CEOChief Job Creator™FTFY
Oh the windows came as part of the deal.
No they didn’t. I’m in Canada and we have socialized healthcare and I didn’t get any damn tilting Windows.
I’ve been lied to!
Canada is like Europe with a couple wildcard American features baked in
It’s the breeze, isn’t it?
Should’ve installed linux 🤷
Should’ve installed velux
Velux just gone through the roof!
I am referring to Linux as ‘tilted Windows’ from now on and you can’t stop me.
No, Mac is tilted Windows, and Linux is open Windows.
I work in a hotel.
One day, a family comes to the reception to tell me that their window is broken, asking me to change their room. I ask if I can take a look.
It turns out, they didn’t know the existence of tilt & turn windows and were scared that the window was going to fall down lol
Imagine not having AC like much of Europe
Imagine not having enough insulation to need an AC.
Lol have fun cooking with global warming bro
He says, while being the cause of global warming with 24/7 AC.
Lol what a tool. If I have 100% renewable energy at my house how’s that contributing?
Energy is only a part of the equation.
“Much of the existing cooling equipment uses hydrofluorocarbon refrigerants, which are potent greenhouse gases, and use a lot of energy, making them a double burden for climate change. Even with the phasedown of hydrofluorocarbons required by the Kigali Amendment to the Montreal Protocol, business as usual means emissions from refrigeration and air conditioning are expected to double by 2030 and triple by 2050, rising from 7 per cent of global GHG emissions today. Right now, the more we cool, the more we heat the planet. If we are serious about reversing current trends, we cannot go about cooling our planet with a business-as-usual approach.”
https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/air-conditioners-fuel-climate-crisis-can-nature-help
Maybe isolate your house and turn off the AC and delay global warming for a bit then
opens 2 windows each on seperate sides of the house/apartment
Doesn’t work as well when it’s 115° outside like much of the US
It would be quite scary to see our lakes boiling
115° in moron units, not Celsius.
Sometimes you just don’t need it
Or you live in Minnesota, where half the year it used to be unbearably cold so you needed central heat. Then half the year it was so goddamn humid and hot we needed central AC, or at least a window unit.
We do get the benefit of having homes with a basement implied to protect both the pipes from freezing and our necks from tornadoes in December now
I live in Minnesota. It’s not quite as bad as you say. Opening windows overnight and closing them in the morning works pretty well to keep the house comfortable for most of the summer…well, except when we’re inundated with smoke from the wildfires.
Especially if the house is old, made with stones!
Yes, temperature difference inside to out is amazing with solid masonry and ceiling insulation. No AC required.
Disagree. I’ve found stone brick houses to be unbearably hot in the southern US. They turn into an oven.
I’ve never seen actual stone houses in north America, only those fake panels on the outside. Bricks are different and require additional insulation, usually you get 2 layers with insulation in between.
There are plenty here in the south west
Looked it up, didn’t find much but did find this, these look like made of stone indeed but maybe it’s because they’re thinner? When I think of stone houses I think of things like this with very thick walls, we have these in all the really hot countries like Italy, Spain, southern France etc and I can confirm they stay cool inside even when it’s 40°c outside.
The amount of energy wasted in America for all the houses with AC they have, could have propelled an entire society to Mars.
Imagine not having screens on the windows and letting every single bug in the nearby area take up residence inside and being okay with it cuz “it’s only a few months out of the year”.
🤢 it’s the fucking worst.
I have screens with my fancy European windows. Like there’s no reason you can’t have it with it.
What witchcraft is this? Did it cost more to install? Was it custom ordered? Plz explain.
It’s just available in my local hardware store, just measure your window and buy the correct size. It was like 20 euros.
It has velcro strips that attack to the frame of the window with clue or something and the screen has the other end of those velcro straps so you can take it off for winter.
There were solid frame ones too but I like this so I can roll it up for winter and it was cheapest.
People act like you can’t just order these kinds of windows in the US. It’s not the default, but you can just ask about them if you know about them.
If you’re in a position to replace your windows.
You’re right, when replacing your windows, it’s all about form. Remember: lift with your legs, not with your back.
(In case it isn’t clear, I’m trying to spin a joke on the meaning of “in a position”)
They’re also like three times the cost of standard windows, which is why most buildings don’t have them.
Tilting you windows is a nice option that i rarely use. Most if the time its STOẞLÜFTEN as we germans like to say (opening the windows wide up to really let in all the fresh air).
Is that not something that Americans do too? As far as I know the need for STOSSLÜFTEN is because we’re building our buildings so air tight, that there is little circulation.
Yeah, being able to open the window just slightly from a different angle doesn’t seem like that useful of a feature. Also in the US we mostly have a different style of window (see below).
It’s rare that I want to open a window, but only slightly open it. Normally it’s all the way open and I probably put box fan in the window to pull air through.
You’re correct that many houses these days are built too air tight, but for older houses that were built before AC the house was often designed so that you could open windows on different sides of the house to create a cross breeze. So for example, you could open up windows on the East and West side in the morning and the temperature difference should create a convection breeze through the house.
many houses these days are built too air tight,
No such thing. You just have to make sure you use a proper ERV setup.
So what if they didn’t use a proper ERV setup?
Honestly, I think the verti slide windows make for a better breeze infrastructure than the tilt windows , because the tilt windows can be force shut by sudden strong winds.
And in the summer when I need a strong breeze at night and have to fully open the windows, I have to hold them open with a chair or something because they will slam-shut in the middle of the night.
I complain a lot about silly american building stuff but in the case of breezes, I think the verti slide is superior.
Also, they’re more adjustable. Euro windows can do tilt or open, but the vertical slide windows have a range.
Yeah, it may have a sliding range, but only for half the window. The top part just stays closed all the time. The euro windows can open fully. That, to me, makes all the difference.
That is a good point.
What about a double window, one EU and one US
I’m fine. Central HVAC, no need for a breeze
Yeah pretty fucking unthinkable
One European downvoted you for speaking the truth
I downvoted because I’m French.
I downvoted you because you’re French.
Touché.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but that style of window doesn’t allow you to open it fully, right?
They open fully. The tilt feature is 10-15 degrees, but they swing open fully like a casement window in the US. At least the ones I used did.
I was talking about the window in the picture in the comment I replied to.
That window design looks like it would never seal properly. Here in Germany any window from the last 30 years or more will not let any air in when its fully closed.
Why wouldn’t it seal?
Because its not possible to pull the window into the seal when the window also needs to move up and down.
Double hung windows don’t seal quite as well as casement windows, but honestly, unless you’re going to the absolute best energy efficiency possible, like a net-zero house, then it’s really not a big difference. Any halfway decent quality, properly installed window won’t have any noticeable drafts. Plus, as others have mentioned, double hung windows are far cheaper than casement.
We actually have the opposite issue. Windows here seal so well that indoor air quality slowly drops if you don’t run the central fan all day.
Yeah I mean of course not in a prison. Which cell block is that?
Opening from the bottom is inherently worse
it’s inherently superior because you can have the window slam onto the fingers of a person trying to crawl in through the window
In Europe we use roller shutters for that
You can have them on residential buildings‽
I live in Europe and I have only seen them in commercial settings to protect store and stuff.
It’s pretty normal to have them on every window, at least in Germany
Here, integrated window blinders are very common. But if you don’t have them you will probably use some sort of curtains (either normal or roll down).
Those metal shutters, that black out the whole room? They have those in Portugal, Spain, most of the mid-southwest Mediterranean. France also. But they’re basically ubiquitous in Portugal. Pretty nifty actually.
Edit: This was driving me nuts, sorry, but I couldn’t find a single good image of what I mean. Here’s the best I could make the robot monkey do (YMMV):
It sounds like you’re describing “Persianas” – a term used in Portugal (and other Spanish or Portuguese-speaking countries) for a specific type of heavy-duty indoor blinds or shutters. These are not the thin metal or fabric blinds but rather thick, often horizontal slats that can be rolled down to cover windows or doors completely, providing excellent light blockage and insulation.
Why? Because they’re amazing.
Funnily enough we call the small thin ones in the picture I posted “Persienner”.
They don’t provide any significant insulation but they can also cover the whole window and block light pretty well. Not perfectly, but good enough for most applications.
If they aren’t enough for you, you can have specific black out curtains that either roll down or slide in front of the window. I suspect black out curtains exist literally everywhere. I am just mentioning it for completeness sake.
I suspect black out curtains are especially common where they get sun 24/7 during the summer.
They open from the top as well.
At that point why do you even need windows?
The worse part is now they’re built cheaply so the screen is only the bottom half. You can still open the top, or from both top and bottom for convection, but now you get bugs
If you get windows one step above “cheapest available” you get a moveable screen.
