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      Also it’s just wrong advice, since you explicitly need --no-preserve-root for it to work… /s

      Jokes aside, please don’t troll anyone with things, that can have severe consequences. Yes, they should have a backup. Yes, they should know how to restore from it. Yes, they should have tested it prior. Yes, you shouldn’t blindly trust people online.

      But even then: Assuming my backup works and I can easily revert the damage. Maybe I need to complete an assignment until tomorrow and just lost 1-2 hours because my PC was busy doing the restore? There’s always a high chance of collateral damage

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      Some people are really bad at empathy. They don’t actually, like, imagine the pain and confusion in the other person if they did unwittingly damage their computer. They’re thoughtless. That’s a lot of words to say “They’re kind of stupid.”

      And some people do imagine the pain of the victim, and do it anyway. Those people should probably be on a watch list before they start killing small animals or shooting up a school.

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      Having moderated forums back in the day, I can answer to some of that motivation.

      First, some people are just bullies. A sense of tribalism forms around bullies, who feel the need to act out and repeat the abuses they have endured. Hazing stems from this, too. Cruelty masked as “you should know better,” advice. Given too late.

      Some have a smug sense of superiority, and want to keep it that way. Less smart people means they stay king of the mountain. Others are scared their own lack of knowledge will cripple them if they don’t keep the potential competition down. Insecurities drown out any sense of empathy.

      Some people hate themselves so they punish others in retaliation. Like, trying to erase past cringe by making others hurt to even the score.

      A few are sick of “the same fucking newbie questions again and again and again,” but still hang out in newbie forums for some reason.

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    Something something rm -fr / to remove the french language pack

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    Tech forums in any sense.

    If you’re tired of seeing the same questions, why are you here? You can just ignore them. But treating a newbie like an idiot for not knowing better just discourages people from getting into your thing and keeps you from meeting cool new people.

    ESPECIALLY because a lot of these questions come from kids that literally haven’t had the chance to learn better yet. Just kindly point them where they need to go. It takes just as much time as telling them off.

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    Yeah this is the is the biggest reason I dislike Linux forums in a broad sense. Snobby elitist pricks.

    Don’t even get me started on arch Linux forums… my favorite is when someone says is something like “this is super fucking simple you just follow this guide: [insert wiki link that is basically a scientific dissertation on the history of arch]

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      If you truly understand a subject you like helping newbs, not insulting them. It is people who know just enough to sound like they do but are desperate to look like experts who are the biggest pricks.

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      I think the most annoying people in Forums:

      “Well I use Debian, and I use only native packages! I update manually because I need to resolve those dependency problems! Go to hell with your Flatpaks and telemitry, I want freedom! Also I will never use Wayland because Mate doesn’t support it”

      People thinking they can give advice, while they are clearly using outdated software, not scaleable maintenance effords, etc.

      I had this in the KDE forum. Literally 2 dudes telling me no system could auto update, while my system does, today.

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      I also feel like a lot of those people are there just to be pricks. I don’t think they really know much at all so their input was unwarranted in the first place.

      The arch wiki is a very good resource and I use it for all Linux distros. But like most repositories of its kind, it gives you the how and not the why.

      That’s what most people want from another person, they ask “how” but I think they mean “why”.

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      Interestingly enough the Arch Linux subreddit is or was way more tame in comparison to its forum
      at least I always quoted the relevant paragraph in the wiki alongside a link since I believe it did a better job at explaining it than I could
      and if it wasn’t in the wiki I added it into it beforehand

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      I have had a mostly positive experience with the Arch Linux forums, though admittedly, I have never asked anything myself over there. I just turn out to find useful answers to rare problems that are hard to find in other platforms.
      Maybe the real problem is the difference in expectations.

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      It’s the same on Lemmy. Linux people live in a fantasy world…it’s like ya I’ve done some things on Linux but is it the best OS for most people? Nah. Not even close.

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    the people who troll or make fun of linux beginners are the same people who wonder every year why desktop linux isn’t more mainstream

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      And 80% of these are on Lemmy, I mean put up a question or comment that how Linux is not helpful is simple tasks such as giving permissions to program without using command prompt , will get you downvotes/ you are idiot comments heavily.

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        never had anything quite as bad, there are a lot of people commenting “JuSt SwiTcH tO LiNuX” and never answer when you explain how you’ve tried to switch but sim racing, CAD and many other things are way too complicated to get running reliably.

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    I trolled myself by “learning” that I could delete all files in a directory, including hidden files, with rm -rf ./*. The mistake being that I (more than once…) accidentally put a space between the . and /.

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      And that’s why every rm command should start life as an ls command and then change the command and options while not touching the target directory. Takes a little longer, but saves so much hassle when you do fuck up.

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      I forced myself to use trash (from trash-cli) when I lost my first server install from this.

      Nowadays, I’ve removed the alias from rm that asked me to use trash, and am still using trash if there’s a chance I might want to keep something.

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    I asked for help on the Discord server of LinuxServer.io and they were literally talking shit about me to each other while I was in the chat because I didn’t understand their utter garbage documentation for a Docker I was having trouble with, even with a CS degree.

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    Either that or you insult them for not knowing the answer already, tell them to google it (then why does this forum exist?) or get mad because they did know that their question had already been answered in a forum post in 2019.

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      My favorite thing in the world is when the top search result on Google leads to a post from someone telling me to use Google.

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      Thats often true though.

      In Linux community stuff at the beginning I was really annoying. You need to learn to search the internet first. Lemmy may be different because its free internet (unlike Reddit or Stack*) so duplicate questions may help.

      Especially in the GrapheneOS Discuss there are people asking the most basic questions, not getting that its Android and those things are the same anywhere.

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        Then why don’t you look it up for them? They may be lazy or they may not know what to look for

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          I like to give them the keywords. But why should I be the working monkey for lazy people that makes no sense

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          Or alternatively, if someone asks a question that you don’t want to answer, don’t post a reply. Just like you (general “you”, not the user I’m replying to) don’t give a shit, they don’t give a shit that you don’t give a shit.

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      It is a shame when mayus and minus are alteRnaTed and there is no Freaking hidden Message… NOt that I’m OBseced with it anyway.

      /s just a little joke to add to the actual thread

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    Linux Support Communities are a trillion times more welcoming, kind and understanding of new people today than they were 10 and 20 years ago.

    I still am scared to ask questions, but at least when I finally have no choice and resign myself to asking a question… its generally answered kindly, and if its not answered directly I’m at least put in the right direction. And that helps me build my own knowledge base, and helps me solve future problems on my own.

    Unlike when I did my first dip into linux a couple decades ago where you’d be called some creative combination of Windows/Microsoft and a sexual slur and told to go the fuck back to windows if you are too stupid to have been born without the complete comprehensive understanding of the terminal.

    I hope the community continues to improve, and welcome newbies and their problems like it currently does, so we can all grow and thrive together.

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      Gaming communities can be incredibly bad. Everyone else is a jerk or moron who wasn’t born knowing that doing X increases your DPS by 2.3% on alternate Tuesdays. DUH

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    There is certainly a lack of perspective and empathy between those who spend their time concentrated on computer maintenance and those others who must perform other important tasks in their lives.

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    I just got a new laptop, I want to change it to Linux, it is going to be a really fun experience