What’s the point of federation, when we will end up having large clumps of users in specific communites under instances, where the owners of the instance can censor information, and enforce their political ideological false authory over everyone. If somebody doesn’t agree they can be banned without any valid reason. Federation is censorship resistant only to large government entities. We fail to realise that the issue with censorship is the owners and admins.
And yes, we can meke new instances that support our beliefs and that doesnt censor our speech, but then again we dont have an evenly distributed userbase. Having duplicate communities is cojnter intuitive anyways because it will confuse users. Lemmy is a failed project in my eyes unless they find a way to resolve these issues somehow.
Bad example but if i start a torrent, then the people who seed will own just as much of the torrent as i do. I’ll be equal with the peers without any upper hand. It cant be taken down or censored. Thats the idea i had.
it’s way better than just full on centralization, though
Slightly better. You end up having the same kind of controlled enviroment but with stuff all over the place, having to explain the workings of the fediverse for every new user, to not get them confused.
If you don’t like something, don’t use it.
This is not a smart statement. Im sure you figure out why. Try to apply the logic to anything you dislike some parts of.
You’re the one who came here to whinge about this platform. I don’t like tiktok, but I’m not gonna join it to complain about it.
Your first post here is to whine about censorship and ideologies on a new instance on a fairly new-ish platform. Personally, it sounds like you just want free reign to be a jerk without consequences. Online communities obviously need moderation or else they’ll become usuable cesspits.
That’s a lot of fucking attitude coming from a user of a community that puts extreme emphasis on being nice and welcoming to other users _
He’s asking a valid question and he is right to be concerned.
Considering I’ve read some of the conversations on the lemmy mod log between admins, they made it clear that number one, they will ban users for any reason they seem suitable, and number two, defederate with an instance and isolate the community so the users on that instance, cannot communicate with other instances anymore.
I think that pretty much proves his point.
Your immediate outrage and accusations that he wants to Reign to be a jerk without consequences not only confirms your complete and absolute 100% ignorance.
It confirms his entire point.
“Obviously online communities need moderation otherwise they’ll become unusable cesspits”
Who the fuck even uses the word ‘cesspits’ ? You sound like a brainwashed psycho cult member right before they drink the suicide punch.
You must be really emotionally unstable geez. “If you dont like Android and have some issues with iPhones then dont use a phone (insert nerd emoji)”
Don’t even bother trying to waste your time rationalizing with a person who clearly has a political bias and psychotic sense of self-righteousness.
These types of people are generally blissfully unaware of their own ignorance and hypocrisy.
Your post touch on very important points about Lemmy. And I’m glad you posted it. We need more people like you raising these questions.
Literally nothing humans do is perfect, maybe besides some art or pb&j
The most you’ll get is serviceable. I’m enjoying the experience so far. It’s like a social experiment.
Well im saddened if thats the case. New users wont sign up if we just have a “serviceable” platform. I think we can do better than this, but i appreciate that we have anything at all.
OK I didn’t mean that literally lol.
I think these things just take time. I’m not into tech stuff, but it seems like things are moving pretty fast, and the more stuff you subscribe to, the easier new users will find communities.
I think the potential is here and then some.
I’m enjoying my time here and the general vibe. The jerboa app is pretty great and will get better. There’s small bugs, expected.
We have to developed it, the whole things.
As far as whether federation will work long term, who knows? All about the journey for me.
the torrent analogy is pretty good actually, ISPs can block certain connections so a good chunk of users miss out on the swarm, and the swarm misses out on them. where federation differs from choosing an ISP is it’s far easier to switch your provider to this service than it is an ISP.
and where a given instance draws the line on censorship isn’t the be all and end all of whether other instances federate with them. as i see it, though my understanding of this comes from mastodon, even if one server decides to properly block another, a third server might chose to limit instead, if at all. there are block lists but that requires a very obvious and widely shared red line on freedom of expression, where there are very few places on the open web where you’ll see less censorship than that.
in the end, wherever a given instance draws the line, is far more democratic than other social media sites. it’s easier to think that twitter, or reddit, or facebook, is more accountable, because there’s at least one guy everybody can point to to blame when something goes wrong, and sure, there’d be something in that, if the scrutiny they get actually changed anything.
Thanks! Makes much more sense like this.
Fediverse is effectively just like Reddit actually, but without the admins, which is what cause 95% subreddits to blackout and protest.
Subreddits have drama all the time because of power tripping mods, but redditards can always create new subs.
I can only speak for myself but I like my server and admin and that our server is connected to more people and content out there.
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I’ve been contributing to foss software for years. Maybe that gives some context. Im speaking genuenely, with no maliciois intent.
How have you contributed to foss? Open source repos (for example) are great because everyone from everywhere can contribute and help. Like everyone everywhere has the power to just start an instance if they’re not happy with what’s out there. That’s a good thing. Power isn’t determined by ownership of an instance but how many people use it, unlike sites like Reddit.
Donated and helped with translation here and there. Im not familiar with coding.
“Concern Troll” has just entered my vocabulary
