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    10 months ago

    :sigh: you don’t “make a better world for nothing”. Preventing climate change would be extraordinarily expensive, if we were to actually do it.

    Lying about it doesn’t make you anymore correct.

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      10 months ago

      It’s equivalent to “for no reason” not to “for no cost”

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      10 months ago

      You think preventing climate change is more expensive than not preventing climate change? That’s an interesting point of view. I’m not sure the facts agree with you.

      Wildfires that burn down houses and gigantic forests every summer, massive storms that take out coastal cities, that kind of stuff tends to have an expensive price tag attached to it.

      It’s easy to forget, but the most effective first step for individuals who want to prevent climate change is: Reduce. And that costs nothing at all. It actually saves money. Of course there are many other things that ought to be done as well, but let’s keep in mind the starting point.

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        10 months ago

        You think preventing climate change is more expensive than not preventing climate change?

        I don’t think that and I didn’t say or imply that. No one seems to be able to comprehend the “what if it’s all a hoax” in the comic in question. In such a case, there is no climate change, and thus no associated costs.

        the most effective first step for individuals who want to prevent climate change is: Reduce. And that costs nothing at all.

        Except it does. When you don’t buy something, someone is not selling something. And there is likely something that you want to sell also, which others may not buy. That sort of thing applied at the level it would take to stop climate change would stop our entire economy dead in it’s tracks.

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          You think consuming less would stop the economy dead in it’s tracks. And … Is that a bad thing? As we know, “economy” means “rich people’s yachts”.

          And just as obviously, reducing consumption is not binary. There’s no way to go to zero, nor would anyone seriously propose it. But anyway, with an increasing population and limited global resources, it’s inevitable that people will have to reduce at some point, so the disaster you hypothesize would strike us anyway. And in that case, gradual change now is better than catastrophic change later.

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            10 months ago

            You think consuming less would stop the economy dead in it’s tracks.

            That’s not what I said. We’re not talking about reusing a few plastic bags here. We’re talking about reversing global warming.

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              10 months ago

              Reusing? I thought we were talking about reducing. And I don’t think anyone is talking about reversing.

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      10 months ago

      More expensive for the rich, yes. The rest of us want to stop having to pay for things we don’t want through degrading our surrounding environment.

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        10 months ago

        More expensive for the rich, yes.

        I mean…if you could somehow convince them to give up their fortunes to fix the climate, sure.

        But if you could do that, we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place.