• BuGiJu@lemmy.world
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    Anything is authoritarian if it goes against your beliefs apparently🥱, but I guess liberals do have to follow US state department dogma🤷‍♀️

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      Hello actual communist here. Commies rock, tankies sucks. We really don’t need or want authoritarian behavior in communist communities.

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        😲 the one true communist has arrived. If you are a communist then read ‘On Authority’ by Engels and evaluate your own fallacious definition of authority. There is no non-authoritarian revolution.

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      no state has achieved the liberation of the working class, because the function of the state is to expand and perpetuate its hegemonic power and influence. state authority is fundamentally oppressive.

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        The state exists as an abstract entity meant to suppress one class of people to the benefit of another class of people. Ergo the state only exists in societies with classes. Communists seek to smash the current state and rebuild one that suppresses capitalists while working towards a classless society in which the state ceases to exist. So yes the state is oppressive, but whether it is good or bad depends on who wields state power.

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                *Woman

                And I thought what I wrote was the gist of it, though I am open to hearing your interpretation.

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                  If there isn’t a state, then what happens when the capitalists attack? Who’s gonna organize a defense? You think everyone’s just going to pick up guns and magically form an invincible anarcho-army?

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                    I mean anarchists are able to organize resistance though I think we mostly agree here in that we are both ML or ML adjacent. Like I wrote, communists want to smash the capitalist state that oppresses the working class, while building a new one that serves to oppress the capitalist class which in the end leads to a classless society where the state does not have a purpose anymore.

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          The State power- as a lesson of history- Cannot be wielded for good. It is a corrupting power with its own momentum and incentives.

          This is precisely why any positive accomplishments of the Leninist states were undone by corruption, bureaucracy, and power-seeking.

          Because the very structure of a state by itself makes it not only possible, but inevitable.

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        What if class was to be determined by both economics (exploitation) and power (oppression), therefore in the USSR all the leninist reformists did was to exchange the wealthy upper class for the all powerful upper class. So at best Leninism is a bad reform of capitalism.

        No state can ever achieve anything more than the liberation of the capitalist class. The only liberation for the masses is to seek alternative ways to self govern and abolish any centralized power structures from reforming again.

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      This is another reason why the rest of the left calls Tankies Red Fascists. So much behavior is shared.

      Like the arrogant mislabeling of everything they dislike as “liberals”.