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    When the Soviets invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968, there were some british leftists who cheered for those tanks driving into Prague. They proved by this that they didn’t care about leftism, socialism, democracy or anti-imperialism at all - they approved the imperialism and militarism of the Soviet regime.

    Their praise for the rolling tanks is what gave them their name: Tankies.

    So, people who love North Korea, or defend russia invading Ukraine, people, who stand by even the most autoritarian, anti-democratic, militaristic, imperialistic regimes - just because they call themselves “socialist” or “communist” - are “Tankies”.

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        And Stalinist, Maoists, and other authoritarian Communists.

        Usually they also “love” countries like North Korea, China, and for whatever reason (aNtI iMpErIaLiSm), Syria, Russia, and so on.

        Red Fascists. They use the same tactics of gas lighting and goal post shifting.

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          maoists??? I think you should read anything by mao. he was anything but “authoritarian”, he spend most of his time after 1949 taking a sledgehammer to bureaucracy & encouraging communities to be self reliant

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            And also going around making lunatic declaration, indifferent to the human suffering he was causing.

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            As I have mentioned to a Trotskyist and an anarchist in this thread, you aren’t going to make it far trying to be “One of the Good Communists”. You are siding with liberal anticommunists. You have four options: Leave; become a liberal; have the liberals turn on you; or realize that you might have picked the wrong side in this conflict.

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      So, people who love North Korea, or defend russia invading Ukraine, people, who stand by even the most autoritarian, anti-democratic, militaristic, imperialistic regimes - just because they call themselves “socialist” or “communist” - are “Tankies”.

      Would be good to point out these people you are mentioning are not all the same.

      There are people that Are critical of Russia, but don’t buy from western propaganda and are being called tankies too.

      It is more like, if one dare to question the western narrative = tankie.

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        but don’t buy from western propaganda

        i.e. are critical of russia, but stand by even the most autoritarian, anti-democratic, militaristic, imperialistic regimes - just because they call themselves “socialist” or “communist”, except for russias invasion of ukraine

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            i was just quoting the other commenter. but dont forget about china, nazi germany, north korea, etc.

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              How are China or North Korea imperialist? (especially the latter) Please don’t talk about Taiwan since it has been a part of China since before the 17th century. Imperialist Japan forcibly seized this territory in 1895. The UN has recognized the One-China Principle which is why Taiwan does not have a seat at the UN. “臺灣民眾統獨立場趨勢分佈”, conducted by Taiwan’s National Chengchi University, an explicitly anti-CPC source, in 2022, showed the following results with regards to the perspective of Taiwanese citizens on independence and reunification: (Status Quo as Autonomous Part of China and Complete Unification Compiled [part of PRC] : 63.4%) (General Support for Independence Including Status Quo Moving Towards Independence [not part of PRC]: 30.3%) (Non-Response: 6.3%). There is no argument for Taiwan relations being an imperialist endeavor by the mainland.

              And anti-democratic? The CPC and various Chinese government posts have the vast (over 90%) support of the populace due to land reform, poverty alleviation, and mass line influence through centralized unions and engagement with representatives. The DPRK also has democratic elements.

              Authoritarian? What does this mean? Authority is not something that exists independently from conditions and purpose. In class society, authority is mainly wielded by the dictatorship of certain classes (and what idiot would condemn the authority wielded by the socialists besieged by the capitalists of the whole world?). Authoritarianism is a “left wing” form of the fascist concept of “totalitarianism” meant to equate various forms of class rule under the banner of “authority”.

              Militaristic? It is incredibly ignorant to talk of the DPRK’s militarism given the rapacious imperialistic U.S, occupying the southern half of the country, starving them, and performing expensive mock military drills yearly along the border to provoke conflict—this itself being a remnant of the U.S. invasion and division which claimed the lives of ~3.3 million Koreans (10% of the population of the peninsula) (see Cumings, The Korean War: A Modern History, p. 45-46). Some have the luxury of condemning “militarism” and military mobilization in such dire circumstances because they live in the imperialist center; some do not. Note: China is not overly “militaristic” by any scale.

              It takes this long to refute a single sentence of nonsense. Anarchists are so pathetic.

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              Do you not notice how you’re falling on the side of liberal anticommunists even within this thread? I think by that alone it would be worth seriously considering if you had been misinformed on some of these issues.

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                idk what u mean by that. im an anarcho-communist. and imo tankies are very anti-communist, even if they dont want to admit that to themselves.

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            it may seem that way, but no. pro-freedom actually means keeping people away who wanna take our freedom. i.e. authoritarians like tankies

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              keeping people away who wanna take our freedom. i.e. authoritarians like tankies

              what did they do to take your freedom? built this whole platform we are using right now?

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              isn’t that the same logic that the tankies are using though - because they think they have to be authoritarian to the people who they believe are trying to take their freedoms i.e. capitalists?

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                a community not welcoming assholes =/= a state killing everyone who’s in their way. one is authoritarian, the other is not.

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          What about misinformation? I see a lot of blatant myths being pushed in this thread alongside the more generic accusations (and, rarely, credible ones). I don’t think such a thing is useful.