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    but don’t buy from western propaganda

    i.e. are critical of russia, but stand by even the most autoritarian, anti-democratic, militaristic, imperialistic regimes - just because they call themselves “socialist” or “communist”, except for russias invasion of ukraine

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        i was just quoting the other commenter. but dont forget about china, nazi germany, north korea, etc.

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          Do you not notice how you’re falling on the side of liberal anticommunists even within this thread? I think by that alone it would be worth seriously considering if you had been misinformed on some of these issues.

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            idk what u mean by that. im an anarcho-communist. and imo tankies are very anti-communist, even if they dont want to admit that to themselves.

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          How are China or North Korea imperialist? (especially the latter) Please don’t talk about Taiwan since it has been a part of China since before the 17th century. Imperialist Japan forcibly seized this territory in 1895. The UN has recognized the One-China Principle which is why Taiwan does not have a seat at the UN. “臺灣民眾統獨立場趨勢分佈”, conducted by Taiwan’s National Chengchi University, an explicitly anti-CPC source, in 2022, showed the following results with regards to the perspective of Taiwanese citizens on independence and reunification: (Status Quo as Autonomous Part of China and Complete Unification Compiled [part of PRC] : 63.4%) (General Support for Independence Including Status Quo Moving Towards Independence [not part of PRC]: 30.3%) (Non-Response: 6.3%). There is no argument for Taiwan relations being an imperialist endeavor by the mainland.

          And anti-democratic? The CPC and various Chinese government posts have the vast (over 90%) support of the populace due to land reform, poverty alleviation, and mass line influence through centralized unions and engagement with representatives. The DPRK also has democratic elements.

          Authoritarian? What does this mean? Authority is not something that exists independently from conditions and purpose. In class society, authority is mainly wielded by the dictatorship of certain classes (and what idiot would condemn the authority wielded by the socialists besieged by the capitalists of the whole world?). Authoritarianism is a “left wing” form of the fascist concept of “totalitarianism” meant to equate various forms of class rule under the banner of “authority”.

          Militaristic? It is incredibly ignorant to talk of the DPRK’s militarism given the rapacious imperialistic U.S, occupying the southern half of the country, starving them, and performing expensive mock military drills yearly along the border to provoke conflict—this itself being a remnant of the U.S. invasion and division which claimed the lives of ~3.3 million Koreans (10% of the population of the peninsula) (see Cumings, The Korean War: A Modern History, p. 45-46). Some have the luxury of condemning “militarism” and military mobilization in such dire circumstances because they live in the imperialist center; some do not. Note: China is not overly “militaristic” by any scale.

          It takes this long to refute a single sentence of nonsense. Anarchists are so pathetic.

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        it may seem that way, but no. pro-freedom actually means keeping people away who wanna take our freedom. i.e. authoritarians like tankies

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          keeping people away who wanna take our freedom. i.e. authoritarians like tankies

          what did they do to take your freedom? built this whole platform we are using right now?

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                i disagree. if you welcome one, they will all come and bring their friends, and then u have a tankie community ;)

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                  oh right. Then we should treat them like cockroaches, right?

                  The Canadians came up with an idea you might agree, it is called “Final Solution”.

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                    fuckin hell im not saying genocide them, theres literally a fucking lemmy instance just for them. they can go there, tankies not welcome here.

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                    LOL… ironic, since those of us how don’t like tankies specifically don’t like them because tankies are perfectly fine with mass-murder, and we’re not.

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          isn’t that the same logic that the tankies are using though - because they think they have to be authoritarian to the people who they believe are trying to take their freedoms i.e. capitalists?

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            a community not welcoming assholes =/= a state killing everyone who’s in their way. one is authoritarian, the other is not.