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The Palestinian Health Ministry said Israeli forces opened fire inside the wards of the Ibn Sina Hospital in the town of Jenin. The ministry condemned the raid and called on the international community to pressure Israel’s military to halt such operations in hospitals. A hospital spokesperson said there was no exchange of fire, indicating that it was a targeted killing.
Footage said to be security camera video from the hospital that circulated on social media showed about a dozen undercover forces, most of them armed, dressed as women with Muslim headscarves or hospital staff in scrubs or white doctor’s coats. One in a surgical mask carried a rifle in one arm and a folded wheelchair in the other. The forces were seen patting down one man who kneeled against a wall, his arms raised.
If they can do these pinpoint operations, maybe they should stop bombing the fuck out of the entirety of Gaza?
Yeah but people in Gaza have guns and they fight back so that’s scary.
These were three unarmed men in a hospital so the brave IDF had the courage to break several laws of war by disguising as civilians and executing them.
Sure, what’s a few more international laws broken? But my point was, if they were going to commit war crimes anyway, maybe they could have done it like this instead of killing 10,000 children.
Yeah, my first reaction was “at least it wasn’t civilians this time.” Whole thing is fucked up but it’s better than a 2,000 pound bomb on the hospital.
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With targeted operations like this, they knew exactly who they were going after and where. That’s not a defense of Israel’s actions, just a statement that this isn’t the sort of thing they’d do to take out some random civilians.
In fact, much the opposite. This more closely resembles the sort of action Israel could have done from the beginning to take down Hamas without destroying Gaza. It would have deprived Hamas of their propaganda wins, would have kept the world firmly on Israel’s side, and would have been much more effective long-term.
Not more effective at letting them kill all the Palestinians which some of them have already admitted is what they want.
So it was targeted rather than random? Could be journalists and/or dissidents. They target those a LOT.
Unlikely to be Israeli dissidents in a Gaza hospital, and if they were Palestinian dissidents against Hamas, it wouldn’t make any sense to target them.
And if they were journalists, we’d already be hearing about it from their publishers, as we have with other journalist killings.
The most likely scenario is that they really were members of Hamas, but that just serves to highlight that the atrocities Netanyahu’s government has otherwise engaged in have been unnecessary.
Quote from the article confirming your guess:
Wasn’t Gaza.
The article and Hamas. Did you read it?
Hamas and Islamic Jihad themselves, or are they too just Israeli hasbara?
“Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.”
Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/30/israel-troops-kill-three-palestinians-in-west-bank-hospital-ministry
But then those 10,000 children would still be alive. The point of Israel’s campaign is the eradication of Palestinean people from the Gaza strip without having to accommodate the political rights that the US constitution (without which Israel is glass) would have afforded them.
I know that and you know that and they know that but they won’t admit it.
Yeah but people in Gaza have guns and they fight back so that’s scary.
Yeah, weird that anyone would pick up a gun and point at a group of people that just bombed away generations of non-combatants, because they may just fear for their (and loved ones) lives at this point. They are now fueling the group that takes the place of Hamas by continuing to go scorched earth on all of Gaza.
I’ve seen this article in several places. This particular article states that at least one of the guys was armed with a pistol, while neglecting to detail the others. Nowhere did I read that there “were three unarmed men”. Do you have a source, please?
From the article:
The biggest tell is that they executed the dude lying on the hospital bed.
There is absolutely no way for NSFL: the hospital bed bullet hole to exist other than the IDF walking up to him point blank, putting the barrel on his temple and pulling the trigger.
Someone in a bed was shot, based on the blood stain, yes. “Point blank” and “barrel on his temple” are not supported by the article. I was simply asking for facts rather than speculation.
Did you click the picture?
The article says that the IDF which just broke a world record for “most amount of simultaneous war crimes” claimed one person had a weapon. This does not make it true.
I’m not believing Hamas without evidence and I sure as hell am not believing the IDF without evidence.
The evidence points to the IDF executing people that did not shoot at them.
Yes the single pistol which they couldn’t say who it even belonged too is warented this response
Some guy named Jalamneh, according to the article.
Not in the ap or anywhere else.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-west-bank-ibn-sina-hospital-raid-3-palestinians-killed-jenin/
This is running an operation in a controlled situation in an area where they already have security control/cooperation. This is three terrorists. Hamas in Gaza is in the 10s of thousands, with a tunnel network, boobytraps, and decades of preparation. It’s out of touch with reality to suggest that they are equivalent.
A better question if you ask me is that if they could carry out this operation, why couldn’t they capture them and bring them to trial?
One being a Hamas commander and the other two being members of Islamic Jihad, also a terrorist organization. At least one of them had a gun with him.
The IDF’s claim is that the three were involved in a transfer of weapons and were planning another Oct 7th style terrorist attack.
Now if we dismiss IDF’s claim as “propaganda”, sure one can say “boo Israel bad, perfidy!!” but Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists hiding as civilian patients in a hospital is pure moral bankruptcy no matter whether the above accusations are true or false, because they know fully well that their presence is endangering every other patient there.
That said, I’d also have preferred if the IDF detained them for questioning instead, they could have extract so much valuable intel on the hostages and the tunnels instead.
Also important to add: only the bedding got damaged and not a single civilian was harmed in the whole operation.
Yeah this is why I hold them in contempt. There could be Hamas members falling out of windows in Qatar, but they want to purge Gaza instead.