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The Palestinian Health Ministry said Israeli forces opened fire inside the wards of the Ibn Sina Hospital in the town of Jenin. The ministry condemned the raid and called on the international community to pressure Israel’s military to halt such operations in hospitals. A hospital spokesperson said there was no exchange of fire, indicating that it was a targeted killing.
Footage said to be security camera video from the hospital that circulated on social media showed about a dozen undercover forces, most of them armed, dressed as women with Muslim headscarves or hospital staff in scrubs or white doctor’s coats. One in a surgical mask carried a rifle in one arm and a folded wheelchair in the other. The forces were seen patting down one man who kneeled against a wall, his arms raised.
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If they can do these pinpoint operations, maybe they should stop bombing the fuck out of the entirety of Gaza?
Yeah but people in Gaza have guns and they fight back so that’s scary.
These were three unarmed men in a hospital so the brave IDF had the courage to break several laws of war by disguising as civilians and executing them.
Sure, what’s a few more international laws broken? But my point was, if they were going to commit war crimes anyway, maybe they could have done it like this instead of killing 10,000 children.
Yeah, my first reaction was “at least it wasn’t civilians this time.” Whole thing is fucked up but it’s better than a 2,000 pound bomb on the hospital.
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With targeted operations like this, they knew exactly who they were going after and where. That’s not a defense of Israel’s actions, just a statement that this isn’t the sort of thing they’d do to take out some random civilians.
In fact, much the opposite. This more closely resembles the sort of action Israel could have done from the beginning to take down Hamas without destroying Gaza. It would have deprived Hamas of their propaganda wins, would have kept the world firmly on Israel’s side, and would have been much more effective long-term.
Not more effective at letting them kill all the Palestinians which some of them have already admitted is what they want.
they knew exactly who they were going after and where
So it was targeted rather than random? Could be journalists and/or dissidents. They target those a LOT.
Unlikely to be Israeli dissidents in a Gaza hospital, and if they were Palestinian dissidents against Hamas, it wouldn’t make any sense to target them.
And if they were journalists, we’d already be hearing about it from their publishers, as we have with other journalist killings.
The most likely scenario is that they really were members of Hamas, but that just serves to highlight that the atrocities Netanyahu’s government has otherwise engaged in have been unnecessary.
The article and Hamas. Did you read it?
Who says it wasn’t civilians?
Hamas and Islamic Jihad themselves, or are they too just Israeli hasbara?
“Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.”
But then those 10,000 children would still be alive. The point of Israel’s campaign is the eradication of Palestinean people from the Gaza strip without having to accommodate the political rights that the US constitution (without which Israel is glass) would have afforded them.
I know that and you know that and they know that but they won’t admit it.
Yeah but people in Gaza have guns and they fight back so that’s scary.
Yeah, weird that anyone would pick up a gun and point at a group of people that just bombed away generations of non-combatants, because they may just fear for their (and loved ones) lives at this point. They are now fueling the group that takes the place of Hamas by continuing to go scorched earth on all of Gaza.
I’ve seen this article in several places. This particular article states that at least one of the guys was armed with a pistol, while neglecting to detail the others. Nowhere did I read that there “were three unarmed men”. Do you have a source, please?
From the article:
A hospital spokesperson said there was no exchange of fire, indicating that it was a targeted killing.
The biggest tell is that they executed the dude lying on the hospital bed.
There is absolutely no way for NSFL: the hospital bed bullet hole to exist other than the IDF walking up to him point blank, putting the barrel on his temple and pulling the trigger.
Someone in a bed was shot, based on the blood stain, yes. “Point blank” and “barrel on his temple” are not supported by the article. I was simply asking for facts rather than speculation.
Did you click the picture?
The article says that the IDF which just broke a world record for “most amount of simultaneous war crimes” claimed one person had a weapon. This does not make it true.
I’m not believing Hamas without evidence and I sure as hell am not believing the IDF without evidence.
The evidence points to the IDF executing people that did not shoot at them.
Yes the single pistol which they couldn’t say who it even belonged too is warented this response
The military did not provide details on how the three were killed. Its statement said Jalamneh was armed with a pistol, but made no mention of an exchange of fire.
Some guy named Jalamneh, according to the article.
Not in the ap or anywhere else.
The IDF’s statement was accompanied by a single photo of a handgun and two ammunition clips that it described as “the weapon carried by the terrorist,” without saying which of the men allegedly had the gun.
This is running an operation in a controlled situation in an area where they already have security control/cooperation. This is three terrorists. Hamas in Gaza is in the 10s of thousands, with a tunnel network, boobytraps, and decades of preparation. It’s out of touch with reality to suggest that they are equivalent.
A better question if you ask me is that if they could carry out this operation, why couldn’t they capture them and bring them to trial?
This is three terrorists.
One being a Hamas commander and the other two being members of Islamic Jihad, also a terrorist organization. At least one of them had a gun with him.
The IDF’s claim is that the three were involved in a transfer of weapons and were planning another Oct 7th style terrorist attack.
Now if we dismiss IDF’s claim as “propaganda”, sure one can say “boo Israel bad, perfidy!!” but Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists hiding as civilian patients in a hospital is pure moral bankruptcy no matter whether the above accusations are true or false, because they know fully well that their presence is endangering every other patient there.
That said, I’d also have preferred if the IDF detained them for questioning instead, they could have extract so much valuable intel on the hostages and the tunnels instead.
Also important to add: only the bedding got damaged and not a single civilian was harmed in the whole operation.
Yeah this is why I hold them in contempt. There could be Hamas members falling out of windows in Qatar, but they want to purge Gaza instead.
These people and whoever organized this needs to be be tried in the Hague. This is straight up a war crime.
Interestingly, the commentary on Article 85 of the Third Geneva Convention includes “the wearing of civilian clothing by members of the armed forces for purposes of disguise” as an example of a war crim
Bonus points because guess where I read that?
https://en.idi.org.il/media/6191/combatants_dressed_as_civilians.pdf
It seems like some things just don’t change.
There must have been a meeting where someone said "let’s disguise as women and medics to assassinate people in a hospital…
And everyone said “great idea!”.
This is so cartoonishly stupid it’d be hillarious if it wasn’t so sad.
If it’s stupid and it works, then it’s not stupid.
If it’s stupid and
it worksyou’re breaking the Geneva convention, then it’snotstupid.
Why is the most moral army in the world committing war crimes? Does that make them more or less moral?
This is the West Bank. There’s no war there, only regular occupation and apartheid, but also genocide.
If genocide ever comes to the US again then I believe that “storming a hospital” will certainly be part of it.
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Pathetic. This is pure terrorism.
Hamas terrorism doesn’t justify Israel/USA terrorism. Both are terrorists.
“Militants”
I agree I’d also have preferred if they used the more accurate word “terrorists” instead but yes, Hamas and Islamic Jihad confirmed it (source: AlJazeera article):
Hamas confirmed that Jalamneh was one of its members. The Jenin Brigade, which includes a number of Palestinian armed resistance groups, said in a statement that two of the three men were members of Islamic Jihad.
Ah, one was a random bystander, then.
Reading comprehension, Hamas and Islamic Jihad are two groups.
Come on Lemmy I know we love Palestine here but don’t downvote facts
Basil was injured by missile fragments following an Israeli drone attack on October 25 targeting a group of men near the Jenin camp cemetery and had been receiving treatment at the hospital for three months, according to Al Jazeera sources.
If he’s not doing active combat but lying in a hospital the word militant seems like a reach. Shooting IDF soldiers in hospitals wouldn’t constitute as shooting militants either.
Oh, I see
Literally, this was the next sentence after the previous Lemming’s quote.
probably ex-Redditors believing Karma is a thing here, they could also be some of the bots that someone created to downvote everything on my profile even not related at all to the Israel-Hamas war (and probably even the stuff they’d have agreed with if they read it)
Jeez, these guys really messed up. They didn’t kill all the babies in the hospital too. Their command will surely be disappointed.
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So I’m gonna say the thing about “disguised as women” feels odd considering the Israeli military conscripts women in their ranks…
…wouldn’t it have been easier to just, you know, send actual women disguised as women?
The IDF terrorists were wearing headscarves and handbags among other disguises to make themselves look like Palestinian civilians, not israeli women.
“dressed as women with Muslim headscarves” was the actual description…
Remember when there was public debate about the morality of bombing Al-Shifa, because Hamas “100% has a command bunker bro, look we made a graphics render to prove it” and now… this? A hit squad storming into a hospital, and murdering three people.
Targeted killings don’t work to stop a movement, unless genocide is still on the table - you cannot kill away the Palestinian/Kurdish/Tigray/Tamil/etc problem. You can blunt a movement temporarily, but the mid level leaders invariably get replaced by more hardline extremists. That is how we ended up with Hamas/PIJ/Lions Den/etc after the Fedayeen were murdered/suppressed and that rage went somewhere… right into the arms of Iran.
Bro that was 36 hospitals ago
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Dont call Zionists “Jews”.
Israel has nothing to do with Judaism.
Also there’s no point in genociding every israeli. Don’t blame everyone for the crimes of their government.
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Doesn’t this article show that Hamas does hide/blend among the civilian population and at least in this case, most likely in others, do it in hospitals hoping to avoid attack?
Just like the IDF just did to do an assassination?
Do you equate a military operation with terrorists hiding? Strange logic, care to explain?
So it’s okay because it was a military operation?
That wasn’t the question I asked, nor does it have anything to do with my question.Nice try at deflection anyway.
You answered his question with a question and you’re mad because you didn’t get an answer? lol
No, I’m not mad. What did he think the IDF officers were supposed to do go in naked? His question did not need an answer because it was silly.
Oh no I ignored your deflection, which was already a deflection from what the IDF did
One of the killed was partially paralyzed and receiving treatment. The other two were visiting him. One of them was his brother.
Incorrect, of the other two THEY were brothers. Neither were brothers of the paT\tient and the article says nothing of them visiting but of then hiding.
You have to read a sentence two paragraphs below the paragraph about the three men killed. It states that:
“Hospital spokesperson Tawfiq al-Shobaki said … that Basel Ghazawi had been a patient since October, with partial paralysis.”
Ah, I see, I’m getting mixed up on the names. You were right, one brother was the patient. His brother was visiting with the target who got shot.
All three were killed including a paralyzed patient.
The stupid picture only showed them carrying two bodies.But yes the headline says three.
Descriptively that might fit, but c’mon man what are they supposed to do, not seek medical attention?
Israel is fucked
