All other countries without sideloading mandates
We’re as shitty as we’re legally allowed to be
- AppleTechnology isn’t to enable users to do what they want, but to let corporations do what they can get away with.
Speak for yourself; I use Free Software.
I finally made the plunge to Linux desktop for all work in 2016 and have not looked back (and occasional windows VM, extremely rare now.) Even Arch is now perfectly fine as a workstation which surprised me. Recommend EndeavourOS to streamline the install process but it’s Arch underneath.
Welcome to the good side. ;)
I’ve been running Linux since I could afford a 386 in '94. (and learned years later a 386SX would have run it as well) Every time I need to work on Windows for an employer the 1st thing I do is find who can help mne fix windows when I break it. (I seem to be pretty good at that, although it doesn’t seem to be a huge skill)
I’m a Linux user since '94, the 1st Android phone I got (company phone) was rooted, the 1st one I bough ran Cyanogenmod and I even developed Cyanogenmod for my 2nd tablet. (1st was crap) yep, free software user. (and kind of developer)
From the perspective of the people who make the crap, corporations are the users.
To be fair that’s not limited to Apple. Any company will follow the law to the letter, and lobby to change the law in their favour.
To be even fairer, corporations have no inherent “right” to exist, and in fact should not be allowed to exist unless they’re acting ethically and serving society.
Ok, but Android wouldn’t have to allow sideloading by that logic, yet…
Android is not a company though, it’s FOSS. Google could ban it on their branch I suppose.
True. I have a Samsung, which does do some shitty ass things like remove the option to turn off data access to apps, but even they allow “sideloading” (I don’t even like that term – it’s just installing software in the normal way to me)
Most Android components can technically be FOSS, but the it’s monolythic nature makes it very hard to get from those FOSS benefits. Best example is TV using Android, phone using Android, but cannot change the interface without hacking half-baked thing like custom ROM.
Google does indeed use Google Play Services to gate-keep the Ecosystem while keeping Android technically FOSS. Still better than Apple in this case, but hey… would you rather be hanged or beheaded?
Not all Android apps use Play Services, do they?
No but many of them. Play Services gets more and more functions that used to be part of the Android operating system. Some very basic functionalities are assisted GPS or Push notifications.
So? Companies can and have removed features like that at the behest of some dickwad in power. Don’t take anything for granted. We need to heavily regulate them. Or hell take games. Capcom is currently adding DRM to 12+year old games. Garbage like that should be forbidden by law instead of relying on shitstorms to get companies to comply.
Not always. Consumers given choice they should go for the product that is best. That way companies have to make the best product. That’s competition working.
Like when ps3 offered free online but xbox didn’t. That killed the xbox market as everyone could choose a similar product that was cheaper.
Or when apple forced everyone to use their products people went to the Samsung because you could do what you want. That killed apple.
Or when some companies offered subscription model like Microsoft Office, everyone went to alternatives and that killed Microsoft Office.
Honestly I blame people. We had all the information and just laughed in the face of reason. We are choosing to spend more for a shittier product.
Despite not being forced by governments, no android phone uses a shitty proprietary charger port, nor have they ever. And last night I discovered side loading is possible on my fucking google TV device. Again, no laws require this, it’s just called not being a fucking prick.
I honestly don’t get why people use apple. People have explained it to me and I think I just don’t get the reasoning.
People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple. Or that apple is better because you can’t use something and instead have to use apples device which isn’t as good and more expensive but it’s white! Like I can’t get a fucking white one.
The walled garden is shit. Apple makes me angry.
i have used an iphone once in my life when i was a kid, and my only memory of it is thinking something was broken because i couldn’t open the filesystem on my PC
People would tell me on the age of illegally downloaded or someone legally bought mp3s apple was better because you can’t play your mp3s you have to buy them again off apple
Idk why people told you that but it’s never been true. iPods didn’t give a shit where the mp3 came from, only that it was loaded via iTunes.
I dunno maybe my friends were too stupid to manage it.
But I got told you couldn’t get it on there and you couldn’t get it off their.
I didn’t see the point. Didn’t seem like owning it, seemed like apple owned it.
From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty, it’s part of their brand. Apple products are all about stupid proofing. Its hard to fuck it up, its hard to download a malicious app or virus. Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is. Believe it or not that’s the majority of users. Side loading wont effect profits but thats because the large majority of their customer base will never use it. Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy, so of course they won’t give it to us unless they are forced to do so.
" from my point of view, the Jedi are evil"
Anakin sounded like a total ass too when he said it
Apple products are all about stupid proofing.
Where do we draw the line between a functioning computer and chromebook? an IoT device? Stupid-proofing should not come at the cost of basic functionality.
Preventing side loading protects people who don’t know what side loading is.
No, it does not. Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.
Those of us who want it are a vocal minority trying to screw up their entire business strategy.
Creating Fisher Price computers is not a valid business strategy, and serves as a detriment for all users regardless of proficency. User freedom is beneficial for absolutely everyone.
It absolutely is a valid business strategy, Apple has been winning with this strategy for like 15-20 years now. Their shit IS Fisher Price computers and Fisher Price phones and ALWAYS HAS BEEN. Most people are fucking dumb and it is designed specifically for them. So for the love of god go buy something else. Please. I’m begging you and everyone else who thinks they are smart - STOP BUYING APPLE STUFF! Like holy shit do something inconvenient for once
I do. However, computers should function as computers.
Users attempting to sideload an app would obviously be warned, not to mention various other methods of malware scanning / sandboxing which can alleviate that non-existant issue.
Hope the sandboxing is really strong.
Vulnerable people can be walked through malware installations over the phone, or via guided workflow.
Also, naughty nations/employers can pre-load spyware onto devices they require people to use.
Definitely excited to see what the best use cases are but will await headlines this year about misuse.
Their branding: “Apple. Defective by design.”
From Apple’s perspective it’s not shitty
No shit.
From Hitler’s perspective, he was saving Germany too. Why would I give a shit about that perspective?
Maybe it will help you be less pissy about something you cant change. Accept the fact that Apple will never change due to this fundamental business strategy and move on to a company that doesnt rely on babying their mindless customers. Or I dunno, fuck it, keep pissing in the wind and crying about smelling bad.
I won’t give apple another dime. I made the decision like 10 years ago and stuck with it.
The only reason I have to care is that you can’t avoid hearing about apple and their shitty business practices on a near daily basis.
Complaining about a company being shitty is reasonable. Deal with it and just simp harder.
Yo you and everyone else replying to me need to slow down and read carefully. I’m telling you you cant change it SO GO BUY SOMETHING ELSE. Holy fuck, the shit I said above is not a compliment to apple. If you don’t get that then you are Apple’s target audience cause goddamn ya fuckin need stupid proofing.
need to slow down and read carefully
The irony.
Shouldnt have exited from the EU ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wasn’t my choice. I was 10.
One thing I’ve learned living in a conservative state in the US is that everything is my fault by proxy
I should just be rich enough to move, how hard can it be
I really wish this was a joke but it fucking isnt.
“We should just build a wall around your state and force it to secede. All the LGBT+ and POC should relocate immediately because it’s not safe to live there.”
“What about all the people who can’t afford to move? What about all the people living on tribal land?”
“Oh, them? Hmmm. They should move, too. Again.”
The fact is, right-wing extremism shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere. Putting all the fascists “on an island” doesn’t fix anything because there will always be children and other people who never asked to be there, yet have to suffer.
what if we just put them all on an island and then blew it up immediately
That might work
POC? Proof of Concept?
But there’s millions of them.
Even if we don’t tolerate them, what should we do with them?
Diffuse sanctions, with exile being used in extreme cases
But remember that hierarchical systems and states will always devolve into fascism given time, and the number of people calling for fascism would greatly decrease, given a different system
Yeah, let’s make Texas into a communist heaven!
Have you just tried having more money?
Just ask daddy for a loan smh
Huh. Welcome to “you should have been rich adult” club. I’m not alone in such shit.
How do all those immigrants move, though? Are they all secretly rich? Or are you, in fact, just comfortable enough not to want to move?
Are you comparing fleeing from war and poverty to moving to some other state because you care about abortions being available?
Yes. One is more uncomfortable than the other. I believe you already understand that.
He’s not talking in good faith. I’m married to a first-gen immigrant from Mexico. I can tell you how “they” move. Unless they’re rich out the gate, in which case there’s a completely different process, they save up money for years, ask for money from relatives, live in extreme discomfort, and then eventually are able to move.
Once established, it’s not like “they” can pick up at any time and relocate. Now they’re trapped in three or four jobs working the entire day, with still barely enough money for rent and food.
Eventually, some of “them” might be fortunate enough to be able to afford the massive investment of time and money for residency and maybe even citizenship.
Maybe even some of “them” will fall in love and get married and start a beautiful life together.
But maybe “they” and even their spouse have misfortune. Healthcare can totally collapse you. Maybe “they” and their spouse save up money for years, but it’s never enough. “They” have got PTSD from their prior life experiences, and their spouse develops health problems. Neither of them want these things to happen, but one ends up in and out of psych wards and psychiatrists’ offices, and the other ends up shitting himself for more than five years, finally after thousands and thousands of dollars discovers he has celiac, but has also fucked other things up in the meantime by developing addiction to alcohol and opiods, which are so easy to become addicted to in this society. So their big plans to move to the big city keep falling through. “They” might lie awake at night feeling tremendous guilt about this, on top of everything else, even though it’s not “their” fault.
That’s how “they” move, and that’s how many of “them” might not be able to just fucking relocate like some privileged neckbeard from lemmy.world suggests.
I know many other immigrants and refugees. I know many similar cases.
TL;DR “They” are the same as “us”
What did I say for you to badmouth me here, exactly? And why do you keep putting “they” in quotes? I can tell you’re waiting for some big gotcha moment. What is it?
They don’t move, either. I’m married to a first-gen immigrant. Getting here is a massive undertaking, but then?
And what do you mean, all “those” immigrants?
They move at least once in order to be immigrants, from their home country to the foreign country they now live in.
I mean literally every single immigrant because that’s the definition of an immigrant.
rich enough to move
Just so we’re clear, you’re simultaneously too rich to move (like a Guatemalan farmer) and too poor to move (like a IT graduate)?
Is it possible for you to rephrase that comment? Don’t quite understand what you are getting at.
To make it abundantly clear, for most people on earth, and for most of human history, being poor was and is not a blocker to moving. In fact it’s a great enabler. Comfortable middle income people don’t move.
Haha nice trolling bro
Vote to rejoin.
I will as soon as the opportunity presents itself.
Every single election.
When I was your age, I was already 15
Congratulations you made everyone feel old
Reee kids get out
I meant this comment more in regards to your lovely voting peers in the country you have to reside in.
Wish you best of luck rejoining the EU!
Excuses excuses.
Oh my God that was 8 years ago what the fuck
Time to start the rejoin in only another 10 years or so I think. We’ll be voting on single market membership again before the decade is out I think.
It’s incredible how that decision fucked the country for decades. One of the best examples why “direct democracy” does not guarantee good decisions just because it was the people’s choice.
It wasn’t direct democracy though.
No member of the public ever voted on the legislation.
If the legislation has been put to the public and the referendum bound it to law I think it would have gone differently.
The vote relied people voting for their own version of Brexit vs. the status quo.
I’m not a fan of direct democracy by any means but Brexit isn’t an example of it.
Ah, okay, so the referendum was just more like a consultation whether brexit should happen, but the badly done legislation came afterwards (which people probably wouldn’t have voted for)?
Exactly.
People were simultaneously told different things by different people on what would happen of the country voted leave. A lot of it obviously false even at the time.
People might have known what they were voting for. But what they were voting for had no basis on what the government would actually do.
Then we had the prime minister who held the referendum resign.
A new prime minister is chosen in a private election amongst members of the conservative party (about 100,000 votes will do it normally but no one actually runs against them). This becomes a theme.
There is legislation passed which essentially puts a clock on the process. If nothing passes we’d just revoke laws and break treaties.
This was meant to scare the EU into giving us what we wanted. The EU was not overly concerned.
The government put some very shoddy legislation together. We got a pretty poor deal from the EU, well we were pretty desperate.
The government couldn’t pass that legislation
We had an election for a new government
The government lost seats and lost their majority
The government then joined with a religious extremist party in Northern Ireland to give them a majority.
The shoddy legislation becomes not only shoddy but also more extreme, It still can’t pass.
The prime minister is ousted by their own party.
We get a new prime minister.
They still haven’t decided on the legislation but they tell everyone what they want to hear.
We have an election
The government gets a big working majority
The shoddy extreme legislation, which we now know from first hand accounts the prime minister didn’t understand, still can’t pass.
The government literally breaks the law and closes parliament illegally to try and run the clock closer to the point where we take a bonfire to massive ammous of legislation.
The government are then forced back into the house by the courts
Eventually at the last moment a deal is passed. It’s really bad for the UK economy, and the UK in general.
The UK leaves the EU. Northern Ireland doesn’t. Well it sort of does.
COVID and Another 2 prime ministers later and Brexit deals are still being negotiated.
Essentially he EU has everything it needs. It’s protected the interests of bordering nations like the Republic of Ireland and France. The UK has increased friction on trade, labour issues.
The current big issue is that France no longer helps us stop people crossing the channel. That was an EU agreement. So our government, now spends it’s time and energy trying to deport people to Rwanda, breaking the entirely separate European Convention on Human Rights Churchill’s government basically wrote and passed after the second world war.
It’s worth noting that this government has had a vote share of 36.1% pre referendum in 2015 36.9% post referendum in 2017 42.4% post deadlock in 2019 (with the opposition getting 40%)
The conservative party got that lock in 2019 on 55% of the seats with 42.4% of the vote
Since then they’ve rotated people in and out of government to essentially do the bidding of the one who pays the most into their individual campaign funds against each other.
The government refuse to allow an election even while they’re essentially changing constantly.
We haven’t really got democracy in this country. We disenfranchise a lot of people through our electoral system by design. We concentrate power to a minority.
It’s a mess.
Can Canada take UK’s spot?
Can Russia? Asking for a friend. Obviously Putin relocates to Hauge.
“Minimizes diminished App Store revenue”
I am an Apple user and in the end I’m more comfortable with them having access to my data than google… but man, they don’t even bother to pretend it’s a pro-consumer issue thing anymore.
Been noticing that a lot lately, corporate weasel language is dying as these companies grow more and more emboldened.
It’s pretty funny considering their main arguments have never mentioned the financial impact and always leaned on SeCuRitY, or some dumb shit the fanboys will regurgitate.
Like, Apple you lying little slut — we know you cuck for coins in everything you do.
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Just use something AOSP with F-droid. It will be much better for privacy.
Lineage with F-droid. Or regular linux.
I’m getting real tired of corpo doublespeak. It’s everywhere right now and I feel like people are finally getting wise to it. I don’t want to hear whatever made up by committee garbage you came up with. Give us an answer.
It’s a matter of time. Other countries just need a copy paste law. Apple knows this. But right now it’s worth it to keep 2 systems around.
Anything Google is optional on Android, especially since the EU’s DMA which now mandates the service accounts to be decoupled (or to make coupling optional, to be more precise).
Both Google and Apple sell your data to the same companies. It’s kinda the point of them having ‘an ecosystem’ (monopolized ofc).
All “privacy” efforts they made with their OSs were exclusively so third party apps can collect less data from you and have to buy data from Google/Apple.
Proof that Apple sell your data?
I am gonna guess they have their own ad setup. So they collect the data, setup profiles and whatnot. Then an advertiser can come and pay to use their system for targeted ads. Now does that count as “selling your data”? Not technically I guess. Google does exactly the same thing tho, right? I fail to see how they differ in any way. I suppose you can HOPE that apple cares about its reputation enough to handle your data carefully, but that is about it. Hopes and prayers.
The op I replied to? Apples quarterly revenue statements? Their terms you agree to? Explicit ‘Apple privacy policy’ on the subject?
Both Apple and Google restrict third party app privacy not for your protection/increased privacy but to monopolize data collection. Eg Facebook vs Meta was a few years ago a fairly public fight.
But on both OSs you don’t really have the option to restrict data collection from their services (on some Androids you can’t even disable Google services, much less uninstall them). And Google also pays several billions per quarter to Apple to be the default search
data collectionengine.It is true tho that companies differ a lot so the data collection is different too (the biggest difference is that Apple doesn’t have that much need for user data since it isn’t really in personalized ad business).
another brexit benefit we stay winning /s
Imagine buying a piece of hardware and actually owning it.
Imagine devices you can actually repair yourself. I looked into switching the battery on my phone the other day and in the process it seems I could very easily break my display if I am not SUPER careful. It’s literally easier to swap the display than the battery.
Everything we think of as owned is only borrowed from the Earth
You’re going to give it back?
I mean, I think it’s a silly point, but yeah, ultimately we’re going to give it all back
I will be taking my shit to the grave! Fuck, that’s literally giving it back to the Earth.
No you won’t. When you die you lose control of your bowel muscles. You won’t be able to retain your shit.
purism is literally a scam company and shouldn’t be promoted
Imagine buying a piece of hardware knowing full well that doesn’t work the way you want it to and then bitching that it doesn’t work the way you want it to
There are no phone OSes that work the way we want, so we should just never say anything, as consumers?
If you can’t find an OS that works for you between android, iOS, the multitude of custom android roms, symbian, and Manjaro on the pinephone, then I suggest you either stop being so picky or make your own.
The true Linux alternatives for phone are not usable like android and iOS are. Android and iOS are still garbage. I am unable to make my own. However I am also able to see obvious faults. Luckily on computers we have Linux, but we really don’t have options like that on phones. The best we have is custom Roms but it’s not the same as having a bunch of really good options.
LineageOS does pretty well for me. Don’t know what youre talking about.
But only supports expensive devices, as far as I’m aware.
nope. I used it on my 150$ phone for 5 years!
Sounds good to me. Then these annoying posts might stop.
By that logic you should not have written that comment
And yet, here we are. Get it yet?
No
You should never sideload. Cranes are not designed to be loaded that way and the crane or the load could move unexpectedly.
Always lift vertically.
LoL wth? You’re misunderstood the post.
When you reloading a gun, always turn the firearm sideways to have a better view of the chamber, and thus increase precision and reduce time.
Wtf are you talking about dude? I think you completely misread those.
If your PS5 is standing upright, you can’t load the disc sideways like you normally would because the drive won’t be oriented the same way. Duh.
Not sure how that’s going to help, but I’m willing to try.
Would a different bird work?
Damn, there goes my lateral raises.
Apple really fucking hates user freedom and choice.
apple gives you the patriotic freedom to defend a company taking away freedom
Well, it’s just capitalism, ain’t it. The goal of the company is to generate as much revenue as possible. That is why we need to regulate the market and everyone who says else is probably a rich asshole who does not care about others.
Always have. They want money, not fans
They protect user’s choice to choice not having a choice.
No, they protect free market from communism. Free as in free to screw you over and communism as in any democracy.
Apple haters have ALWAYS found something to wrap their hate around and then march on parade; this is just the latest. Just join the line at the back…
Or buy something else.
Well the one thing you’re right about is that I don’t buy Apple.
Then stfu?
Another Brexit Benefit
Fuck Nigel Frog face Farrage, The Haunted Victorian Pencil Jacob Rees-Mogg, Lord David Pig Fucker Cameron, Maybot, Boris I don’t care where I stick my Johnson, and all the rest of the Tories who either actively supported this or were to self interested to not rebel as their leaders doubled down on their Brexit folly again and again.
As a mainland European I find Brexit absolutely hilarious. Even Labour is now like: “we didn’t get the bad press, so we’re fine with Brexit now”.
Brexit effect. Slowly but surely starts to show some results.
for david cameron at least
Enjoy your walled garden, you paid for it.
I got it for free. It used to be my Gran’s.
I don’t know how to interpret this comment
Gran is short for Grandma. Hope that helps clarify.
not sure that was the problem
He saying he didn’t pay for the walled garden he’s now stuck in, he inhereted the iPhone.
When is a gift not a gift?
Ooh I know this one
When it’s a jar!
So how big is this garden?
He got a hand-me-down iPhone because he’s poor, and has decided it’s better than no phone, but is sad it’s still a walled garden despite other people being rescued.
Is there a joke I’m missing?
Oh, I though we were talking about a physical garden
Yes I am, i bought to Apple fully know that it not allow side loading and happy with it. If I want side loading, I would switch to Android immediately and stop bitching about Apple. (Not that I said you bitching but alot of other people are doing it)
Time to get an Android, I guess.
The time to get an Android instead of an iPhone was any time since 2008 when Android first became available.
My situation is complicated.
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Imagine if steam only enabled refunds for australian customers and no one else, lmao.
There are other countries with mandatory refunds.
That’s where the keyword imagine comes in.
Yes, and I’m imagining other countries suing and getting ye olde auzzie treatment, too.
Main point of the argument is that Valve said screw it, and gave everyone refunds, because it was the right thing to do
Did somebody say “Brexit Dividend”?
Was Brexit really worth it?
If you have the kind of tax affairs you really don’t want auditing, quite possibly.
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