Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards, though not yet.

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    10 months ago

    So now Windows bloat is extending to the physical keyboard itself.

    Looking at the Microsoft blog post they haven’t said exactly how they want keyboard layouts to change. So on a full size keyboard this could be either new key entirely, or replace an existing (and arguably more useful) key.

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      10 months ago

      They should put it adjacent to the up arrow key so that when I hit it accidentally, copilot can ask “did you mean to press the up arrow key?”, which will cause me to smash the keyboard with my fists and then I’ll need to buy another one. Sales will skyrocket.

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        10 months ago

        Not particularly relevant, but my friend randomly told me to press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+Windows key+L one day. I’m still horrified.

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          10 months ago

          I just tried this. Why does this exist? Why does this need to be a shortcut? Who uses LinkedIn so much that they need to use a 5 key shortcut to get there faster?

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            10 months ago

            For anybody who doesn’t want to try it, this key combo opens LinkedIn in your default browser.

            It’s not a setting you can change, the only way to disable it is to edit the registry.

            WTF.

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              It’s not a setting you can change, the only way to disable it is to edit the registry.

              So you are saying the setting can be changed. You can even do it over terminal if you like.

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            10 months ago

            They have an “Office Key” on some official keyboards. Pressing Office+L opens LinkedIn. The Office key is actually mapped to that long modifier shortcut.

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          10 months ago

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      10 months ago

      I mean, they did it before with the windows/super button. Before that you just had ctrl and alt there.

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        10 months ago

        I use mainly keyboard-controlled WM configurations, so a Super key or a Meta key is useful for me, to separate it from Alt and Ctrl.

        Which reminds us of the fact that PC keyboards didn’t have those or a Windows key obviously, but Sun keyboards, from googling, did have a Super key.

        So it’s not them.

        (And it’s not bad in my opinion)

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          10 months ago

          I always assumed the windows key was a late attempt at copying the “Apple” keys on Macs. then Macs stopped using that, and switched to the clover (called command), then to actual Command text.

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      10 months ago

      I don’t remember the last time I pressed the “right click” contextual menu key, so honestly it’s not like it’ll be too annoying. Unless they do replace an actually useful key, at which point I guess the people making “make Windows actually work good” apps will get to live another year.

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        10 months ago

        I pressed it like, 20 minutes ago? It’s a pretty normal part of a lot of coding workflow, not to mention browsing, accessing context menu keyboard shortcuts without having to move your hand to the mouse for one buttonpress.

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          Fair enough. Alt used to be that before we decided to have a button to annoyingly pop up the menu strip. And there’s still Alt Gr for that in full sized keyboards if we want to go back that way.

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            10 months ago

            Alt Gr is something else. Non-english keyboards use it all day every day for typing their charactersets.

            It could probably replace the right OS key, though.

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        10 months ago

        I’ve never even heard of this key that you are talking about, yet it’s mentioned several times in this thread.

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            10 months ago

            thanks for the picture. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. Just to check, I went over and looked at my wife’s work laptop and it’s not on that keyboard, but it is on her external keyboard, but not as a separate key, it’s part of the print screen button!

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      10 months ago

      Then you had all those “for the web” Windows 95 PCs that had all the extra buttons like the Calculator and Web Browser and Sleep buttons scattered around above the keyboard that I don’t think people tended to use because Windows wasn’t built with them in mind. It seems they’re in the keyboard standard now as if they were any other key.

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      10 months ago

      Swap it with the windows key and put the windows key as the function modified keypress. As long as I can still disable that key, it would be fine.

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    Before I even read it I knew it was more ads or AI of some sort and yep it’s both. Sure yeah we need more ads. Can I get a Microsoft store button on mouses now? Ohoh a dedicated 2nd screen for ads on every monitor. We must please the share holders and the rich!

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    10 months ago

    If only keyboards would have function keys for this purpose, named F1 to F10 for example, so any program could use them for their specific functions…

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        10 months ago

        At least on the PC, it’s easier to remap the buttons. What enrages me more are the TV remote controls with buttons dedicated to specific streaming apps. I mean… none of these services will outlive the TV itself. I’ll just have to look at buttons that do nothing for years.

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            10 months ago

            I need that for my Roku. I may just write an automation in Home Assistant that will switch to whatever app I programmed if I press the Paramount+ button. Unfortunately that means I need to install that app on the Roku itself.

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          I personally find those useful, but I can never find the combination of services that works with my needs.

          There’s always like Vudu or Sling that just becomes a wasted button.

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          I get your point but at least three of those services will outlive the tvs expected life. Netflix Hulu and espn aren’t going anywhere, at most espn will be rolled into Disney+ and a software update could point that button to it

          My TVs crackle and I heart radio buttons on the other hand…

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      10 months ago

      I remember those keyboard layout cutouts (were they called keyboard templates?) you got which you put on the keyboard with extra explanations of what each function key did in WordPerfect or Lotus or whatever.

      I’m old.

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        Yeah I remember them too. Sometimes games would come with them even, to help with all the keyboard shortcuts. :)

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    10 months ago

    I’m getting Bixby button flashbacks.

    Ho well, my wallet’s gonna cry but I’m sure the mechkeyboard community will welcome my ass

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    10 months ago

    copilot key will eventually be required

    Fuck that, and fuck you, Microsoft

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    10 months ago

    Microsoft learns nothing from their continued pattern of going all-in on a trendy and unproven concept. Windows 8 “live tiles” that were supposed to create one look and feel across devices, Cortana was supposed to be the digital assistant of the future, they even did their own poorly executed folding phone.

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    10 months ago

    OR, hear me out, we just have it mapped to alt+win(meta) key and this will be a nothing burger.

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      10 months ago

      Stop being such a socialist. They need to sell more keyboards, and to make the keyboards you own unique to their brand.

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          This is me. Saw a cool keycap set the other day, and before I knew it BOOM! New keyboard.

          I only have 4 (working ones) so far, but that’s still probably one too many. xD

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        I said this above… I’ve had the same Das Keyboard model so long that the USB ports in the side are USB 1.0. And I will use it as long as I can because it’s a great keyboard and I’ve never needed a new keyboard since I bought it even when I’ve needed a new computer. Fuck this shit.

        • Magnus Åhall@lemmy.ahall.se
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          I’m still using a Kinesis Contoured daily with PS/2 connection. Pretty impressed a new motherboard still came with a combo mouse/keyboard PS/2 port.

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    10 months ago

    And again, install Linux and get rid of this Microsoft bullshit

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    I swear I blinked and suddenly AI was so ubiquitous that I feel like I’m living, studying and writing incorrectly…

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    I would imagine this isn’t going to go over very well with a lot of companies. I would bet many already ban employees using copilot or other AI assistants because they don’t want their company’s proprietary data being sent to Microsoft or Google or whoever. Stick a key on the keyboard that, if accidentally hit, brings up copilot (and maybe sends data to Microsoft), and those keyboards might be banned.

    Some companies will probably just deal with it by setting up their PCs so that copilot is disabled and that key does something else. But, other companies will either not be technically savvy enough to do that, or will not want to take a risk of someone accidentally reverting to the default behaviour.

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    Oh cool, another useless gimmick just like the ‘Office Key’

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      10 months ago

      What about the LinkedIn key.

      That’s actually a shortcut for ctrl+alt+shift+L… that is an (unconfigurable?) hotkey for opening LinkedIn in edge.

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    Ugh. Why do keyboards have to have Microsoft logos. I hate it. I want nothing to do with them.

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      Well, somehow keyboards are now a niche boutique industry where people spend hundreds of dollars putting together custom-made minimalist builds like they’re honing a weapon in an action movie. I find that’s probably dumber than a corporate logo becominmg a default key (which to be fair has been a thing since the 80s, the C64 had a Commodore key), but it does mean that if don’t want it, you can get a keycap with anything you want on it instead.

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        There’s nothing dumb about a keyboard personalized to your exact tastes and preferences that also makes your job easier and reduces RSI. But like, that’s just my opinion, man.

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          Your user name is “dyikeyboards”, I feel like we’re gonna agree to disagree on this no matter what I say, and I’m fine with that.

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            You might be surprised. I’ll be the first to tell you there’s a ton of overpriced, silly hype in the keyboard space. Exotic materials, lubes, and switches that have no measurable impact on performance are common. So are extremely detailed and expensive artisan keycaps. It’s a collector hobby for many. That’s not my thing.

            OTOH, there are also some serious gains to be had for professional computer jockeys.

            My daily board is just 42 keys, and I absolutely love it. There’s a learning curve for sure, but once mastered you’re on a new level. For instance, I can access all my standard keys, num now, function keys, and arrows without having to move my hands off the home position. It’s brilliant.

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              10 months ago

              Random question for a keyboard aficionado: have you investigated the CharaChorder?

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              That last paragraph would be more convincing without the typo in it.

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                I think they were typing on their phone. The error looks more like autocorrect than a keyboard typo

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        The difference is that the C64’s keyboard was physically part of the C64…

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        You can still buy a cheap basic keyboard, or a decent Logitech at a reasonable price. You can totally ignore the “niche custom keyboard” market. Most people don’t even know it exists.

        What’s annoying is that laptop will now come with that stupid key.

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        Years ago, I invested $120 or so on a clickey-clackey Das Keyboard and it’s been just fine. That is by far the most I will ever spend on a keyboard. The only thing I don’t like about it is that it takes up two USB ports and it’s old enough that the built-in USB ports are only USB 1.0. That’s how long it’s lasted me.

        A decent keyboard is worth an investment if you use it all the time and want a good feel when you type, but people take it way too far.

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        I don’t get the hate on custom keyboards. Sure you can go overboard, but like… I spend eight hours a day using a computer for work and then when I’m done I use another computer for fun. It’s not absurd to spend a few hundred bucks on a keyboard that you can expect to last 15+ years instead of the $20 ones that you throw away every year or two or as soon as one thing breaks.

        There are definitely keeb elitists though, which is always shitty no matter what hobby you’re talking about.

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      You can get a quality mechanical keyboard in a layout of your choice and take your pick from hundreds of keycap sets in whatever color, profile, material etc. you can think of.

      Keychron.com is a good starting point that won’t break the bank (but order them from a reseller or Amazon if you can, Keychron themselves aren’t great with returns and support).

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    Gee, I imagine this will go the same way as Cortana, but now there will be a key forever visible to be it’s gravestone.