account42 4 hours ago [–]
https://github.com/innereq/lenny#the-lemmy-problem
Having more users isn’t going to help if the core developers are anti-diversity.
Lol, imagine being that fucking stupid that thinking that adding a slur filter to make the job harder for alt right and proud boys to create instances is antidiversity. Fuck you account42.
so in a nutshell, they forked Lemmy to something called “Lenny” because they wanted to use the n word? I have no words…
If you bother to check the instance Lenny was created for, you would’ve known that it’s a Russian instance that largely post furry shit so no, they didn’t create a fork because they “wanted to use the n word”.
I went to the “flagship” lenny instance when this fork was created and (you are not gonna believe this) a large majority of the comments were flaunting not being censored by the now-removed slur filter.
If anyone’s interested, seeing this post on HN is what inspired me to create my account today. I enjoy the Reddit model but I feel like Reddit.com was significantly flawed. I’ve been interested in a solid alternative passively.
If you let one Nazi drink at your bar, even if he’s not bugging anyone or doing anything, you’ll find very quickly that it becomes a Nazi bar -most other patrons will leave because they don’t feel safe or comfortable
Don’t know much about the slur filters myself, but it does make me wonder about the type of characters that would fight so hard to allow the use of more slurs.
You start letting people freely express hate, passively, sarcastically or otherwise, it’s gonna turn into that type forum community. Really depends on who the team is interested in catering to. Personally, I stopped using Reddit for that exact reason. Tired of hearing reasons why people think they’re better than everyone else, or why x group is inherently evil or why abortion is evil etc. It’s a waste of time, and I’m not keen on seeing things that I know are going to make people feel unsafe
Don’t know much about the slur filters myself, but it does make me wonder about the type of characters that would fight so hard to allow the use of more slurs.
Some of the complaints are that the filter is too trigger-happy, and that it doesn’t (or didn’t until it was patched) respect languages other than English. Problems with this sort of filtering are known since at least 1996, when AOL banned the entire town of Scunthorpe. It’s one thing to consider this a reasonable price to pay for keeping nazis out, but it’s disingenuous to say that everyone who doesn’t agree must be a nazi themselves.
I have defended the word filter here on numerous occasions, but I think not having a word filter is an equally valid design choice, for the reasons you have cited - as long as the human moderators keep on top of it.
Honestly, I’m tired of discussions of Lemmy from outside the Lemmy community. It’s always the same stuff: “blah blah slur filter so use Lenny, blah blah against free speech, blah blah full of leftists and not centrists like me, blah blah admins are anti-diversity.” For as much as HN complains about Reddit sometimes, these HN comments essentially mirror Reddit comments about Lemmy.
All these topics have been done to death at this point, but it’s even worse when it’s clear that some of these people aren’t even a part of the community and yet there they are criticizing it in the same way everyone else has already.
It would just be nice to see discussions and criticisms of Lemmy from other angles. Something like talking about its place in the current iteration of the Web, or about its UX, or even its community, but from an non-reactionary angle. To me, Lemmy is an experiment, a social one that’s currently seeing how communities form and change through federation, moderation, and community feedback. It’s not perfect, but dismissing it as a project and experiment just because of something as simple as a slur filter is reductive and ridiculous, to be quite honest.
Ultimately, though, I’m not obligated to read what these people write, and they’re not obligated to write how I want, so my complaints are useless, unproductive, and mostly me being defensive because of criticism thrown toward a community that I’m a part of. Still, though, it would just be nice to have something more refreshing.
I’m not sure you’ll find productive discussions about Lemmy outside of the fediverse. Understanding the paradigm sort of requires one to use it to really see how it works. And the idea of federating in and of itself connotes a certain style of politics.
Successful fedi sites are heavy on personal responsibility to your community and active discussion with people you regularly interact with. On web 2.0 sites you are incentivised to interact with content creators and power users. The average reddit/youtube/etc user barely ever interacts with people that they know nor feel any responsibility toward them. Imo, this is why the fedi has been particularly attractive to anarchists.
Maybe the website needs to have some sort of FAQ, something like the wayland faq, Wayland was another “controversial” tech which had a lot of critics some of them having poorly based criticism but all the advocacy and seeing it mature probably made a difference and now i don’t really see it criticized .
(ᅌᴗᅌ* ) I can agree with the chuds on one thing. We don’t need them here.
There’s a lot of comedy gold in that thread, from the person quoting Sun Tzu, to the person complaining that https://join-lemmy.org isn’t like reddit’s front page.
Found it:
nicbou 10 hours ago [–]
My options are “Run a server” and “Join a server”
This is not an alternative to reddit, where you would see a front page with content on it.
