• dhork@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    “We’re losing a lot of people because of the internet,” Trump said. “We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what’s happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, ‘Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.’ These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people.”

    He said this in 2015, folks. And we still elected him. We’re fucked.

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      ‘We’ didn’t elect him. A horde of deluded, ignorant douchebags in just the right states did.

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          I can only imagine where the country would be if we reformed the Electoral College and the Senate. It’s absurd to be giving 1 million people in Hickle Dickle the same votes as 30,000,000 in another state. Or even worse, in the EC people in small states get 3-4 times the voting power as citizens of some larger states.

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            The idea behind doing that was so that the people in Hickle Dickle have their needs heard as much as the people from New Franciscago. Why? Because small towns have different needs than big cities, and it’s important to hear from the people living in each area.

            However it absolutely needs an overhaul as A) the population difference between New Franciscago and Hickle Dickle have become obscene (you’re talking 30m vs 1m, when the reality is closer to 30m vs 100,000 or less), and B) the electoral college is becoming weaponized to override New Franciscago when it was supposed to balance the two and make sure Hickle Dickle still has its needs met.

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        Don’t forget the tens of millions of Americans who stayed home because “both parties are the same”

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          Yeah, that’s always the problem. Sometimes it’s just a lack of motivation. Also don’t discount voter suppression, like how voting day still is not a holiday and there’s a significant lack of facilities in urban areas compared to suburban and rural regions. Nobody should have to wait in line for 5 hours (complete with BS like ‘giving them water is a crime’) to vote.

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            If the Republicans allowed real democracy to happen, they’d never get elected. They’ve said this pretty openly.

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              They used to claim they were the vast majority, silent majority, and so on, but it seems like they changed their tune on that and now it’s “we don’t need a majority! We’re a constitutional republic”

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          Even worse. The single issue voters, or hard core progressive voters who voted independent or wrote in names on their ballot because they didn’t get their way. They know who was better for America out of the two real choices, but made the statement of “I’d rather see the country burn than participate”

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            The faction of the party that formed a PAC to elect McCain/Palin doesn’t get to lecture people about jumping ship when they don’t get their first choice.

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                I’m saying that the same PUMAs who jumped ship and tried to give us VP Palin are hypocrites when they scream at progressives for not voting in accordance with their sense of entitlement.

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                  I still don’t understand. Are you saying democrats forced palin through in order to turn republicans off and are now surprised that progressives don’t want to vote for a candidate they don’t like?

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                    In 2008, when Clinton lost the primary to Obama, her supporters formed a PAC to try to get McCain/Palin elected. They didn’t get their very first choice and behaved worse than they accuse progressives of being.

                    Progressives didn’t form a PAC to elect Trump. Centrists did form a PAC to elect McCain/Palin.

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          A quick browse of this community will show you that a large percentage of the users here fall into that category.

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          Weird. I didn’t know not casting a vote meant you were responsible for the person that millions of other people did vote for.

          (for the record, I voted)

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            I think everybody in a democracy-ish country is responsible for their voting choice. Choosing to abstain is a valid option, and should stay that way.

            However, if you have a preference between the candidates, by abstaining you are mathematically helping the other guy. That’s especially true in our two-party FPTP elections in the US.

            Edit to add: it should go without saying that this assumes you have the capability to vote one way or another. You know, since we have a political party that wants it to be difficult to vote.

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      We have to go see Bill Gates

      This line… Lol

      “Hi Bill, you’re the CEO of the internet, right? I’m going to need you to turn it off for me. Thanks.”

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      It’s amazing, he’s said so many terrible things, I’m still learning about stuff like this he said years ago.

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      Ironically he got elected in large part because of his always online meme army. I’m guessing that part of the Internet sticks around.