Regardless of color, I was saying that the west should be careful about Muslims. And I still say that. I don’t have any ulterior motives. Interpret it however you want.
There is no point in calling me a bigot without giving any reason.
Is it enough for me to say “you are right” to end this discussion? Because it doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. Because I don’t agree with most of your opinions and you don’t seem to be able to change mine.
At a guess, you seem to be talking to a member of a generation that never got contradicted during its childhood, that believes it has all the answers, that sees dissenters to its groupthink as social deviants who need be silenced. The Western enlightenment is yesterday’s news, we’ve moved on in the West! Well done for keeping your cool and staying polite.
Against a former Muslim, who fled a Muslim led country because of their Muslim laws. Telling them they’re a bigot for hating Islam is fucking condescending, white savior syndrome.
No you werent. You were making braod assumptions that are already proven to be wrong and you blame it on “Islam”, which implies “all Muslims”, despite there being evidence of psychiatric disorder in the suspect. Schizophrenia and other disorders with mania often express themselves in religious symbols. but if a psychatric ill person refers to Christianity would you say that this is Christianity for everyone? Probably not.
Also you should consider carefully, if you want to stir more anti-Muslim sentiment. When it comes to progroms, the people will not care if you are muslim, atheist, christian or jew. They’ll just see a “brown” person. You might get praise from the political right now, but they will not protect you, no matter how loudly you announce to be different from the other “brown people”.
Who are you to tell others how to think? Asking them to apologize, are you serious? The level of self-righteousness and self-absorption in your attitude is worrying.
I’m not telling him what to think. I’m telling him he’s being a little coward, throwing the rock then hiding the hand.
So it’s up to him. Either he didn’t mean to be a horrible bigot, then he can apologize for it and we’re cool. Or he did, and then he has to own it.
I’m not telling him what to think. He’s free to be a bigot. God knows it’s a pretty widespread affliction. But he can’t deliberately engage in that kind of behavior and get away with equivocating hoping no one notices.
attitude is worrying
No, what is worrying is accepting that behavior in a public place. This is not, and will not be, the Nazi bar.
The whole concept of apologizing for opinions is just, well, wild. To me yes but I assure you to quite a lot of other people too. Not wanting to make this personal, but I would put money on a wager that you belong to a certain generation. One that, let’s say, is particularly certain of its moral rectitude and doesn’t put much stock in the value of free speech and the exchange of ideas.
I would take that money from you. I’m way older than you imply.
And no, you did not get it. The invitation to apologize was not for his thoughts/opinion. It was for his words if they did not match his thoughts. It’s customary, in many cultures, that if you do something hurtful but don’t mean it, you apologize.
What did I said and then tried to spin about? I never included skin color. You bring it there. I’m not gonna sorry because you understand my sentences wrong.
I’m not a native speaker either. In fact, this is my third language. I have no desire to keep doing this. Read what you wrote up thread carefully, then consider whether that’s a nice thing to type about millions of people you have never met.
I’m not happy about accusing millions of people either. However, I have experienced all my life what religion can do to countries or people when it finds a gap. Especially in a religion like Islam, which is not as neutralized as other religions.
I am aware that what all I said were cruel, unfair and racist. But I don’t regret it.
I’m from Turkey. If my ancestors were cruel like me, rather than tolerant like you; We wouldn’t be governed by a right-wing, sharia-supporting government right now.
You’ll probably don’t believe, but we used to as secular as France 25 years ago. Then these people found a gap, tricked “human rights supporters” and “LGBT” people and got supported by them. Yes, Erdogan was literally pro-LGBT back then.
Anyways, end of story, they slowly boiled us just like the frog in the pan. Unfortunately, I see this pattern in Europe as well.
What you said was bigoted af. Stop trying to spin this. Apologize or stop pretending you’re not a racist scumbag.
First of all, I’m a brown, middle-eastern person.
I was just trying to explain dangers of Islam. My country turned into shariah shithole in 20 years from secular.
“im Brown, I can’t be racist”
Lol
They said you’re anti non-white. I told them I’m not a white. That’s why I said “I’m brown”, dummy.
Bigoted means anti non-white? Interesting
hahahaha I’m just really laughing right now 😅 How can you extract that meaning from my words 🤷♂️
Reading them?
You have my sympathy, but this does not meaningfully change anything.
Your comment was still bigoted af.
Regardless of color, I was saying that the west should be careful about Muslims. And I still say that. I don’t have any ulterior motives. Interpret it however you want.
There is no point in calling me a bigot without giving any reason.
That’s not what you said.
And even that is a pretty fucking backward thing to type.
You give me new reasons every comment.
If you don’t see this, you ought to re-evaluate.
Is it enough for me to say “you are right” to end this discussion? Because it doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. Because I don’t agree with most of your opinions and you don’t seem to be able to change mine.
At a guess, you seem to be talking to a member of a generation that never got contradicted during its childhood, that believes it has all the answers, that sees dissenters to its groupthink as social deviants who need be silenced. The Western enlightenment is yesterday’s news, we’ve moved on in the West! Well done for keeping your cool and staying polite.
Stop defending terrorists dude
He’s not defending terrorists, he’s defending Muslims
Against a former Muslim, who fled a Muslim led country because of their Muslim laws. Telling them they’re a bigot for hating Islam is fucking condescending, white savior syndrome.
France is not a Muslim country.
Why categorize all French Muslims as killers when it’s obviously a tiny majority? There are between 3 and 5 millions of Muslims in France
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France
I would never have been able to compose this sentence because I don’t speak English well. I agree with every word, every letter.
They blame us while we tell them what we have suffered.
Why categorize all French Muslims as killers when it’s obviously a tiny majority? There are between 3 and 5 millions of Muslims in France
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France
Islam can be used by an autocratic state to impose its regime, but current Russia or North Korea don’t need it to impose on their populations.
Categorizing several millions of people as killers because a few deranged people get radicalised seems shortsighted.
No you werent. You were making braod assumptions that are already proven to be wrong and you blame it on “Islam”, which implies “all Muslims”, despite there being evidence of psychiatric disorder in the suspect. Schizophrenia and other disorders with mania often express themselves in religious symbols. but if a psychatric ill person refers to Christianity would you say that this is Christianity for everyone? Probably not.
Also you should consider carefully, if you want to stir more anti-Muslim sentiment. When it comes to progroms, the people will not care if you are muslim, atheist, christian or jew. They’ll just see a “brown” person. You might get praise from the political right now, but they will not protect you, no matter how loudly you announce to be different from the other “brown people”.
The dangers of Islam are the assumptions I made. History will say am I was right or wrong.
IDC does anyone likes me or not. I’m person thinking exactly like this without pressure of “being different from other brown people”
Malaysia in a Muslim country (63%) with a Democracy Index of 7.30. Belgium is 7.64, Poland is 7.04.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia
Who are you to tell others how to think? Asking them to apologize, are you serious? The level of self-righteousness and self-absorption in your attitude is worrying.
I’m not telling him what to think. I’m telling him he’s being a little coward, throwing the rock then hiding the hand.
So it’s up to him. Either he didn’t mean to be a horrible bigot, then he can apologize for it and we’re cool. Or he did, and then he has to own it.
I’m not telling him what to think. He’s free to be a bigot. God knows it’s a pretty widespread affliction. But he can’t deliberately engage in that kind of behavior and get away with equivocating hoping no one notices.
No, what is worrying is accepting that behavior in a public place. This is not, and will not be, the Nazi bar.
The whole concept of apologizing for opinions is just, well, wild. To me yes but I assure you to quite a lot of other people too. Not wanting to make this personal, but I would put money on a wager that you belong to a certain generation. One that, let’s say, is particularly certain of its moral rectitude and doesn’t put much stock in the value of free speech and the exchange of ideas.
I would take that money from you. I’m way older than you imply.
And no, you did not get it. The invitation to apologize was not for his thoughts/opinion. It was for his words if they did not match his thoughts. It’s customary, in many cultures, that if you do something hurtful but don’t mean it, you apologize.
It’s not hard.
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I thought he called me a zoomer. Oh well, just goes to show how far you get with platitudes.
Anyway, not a boomer. I accept PayPal and Venmo.
What did I said and then tried to spin about? I never included skin color. You bring it there. I’m not gonna sorry because you understand my sentences wrong.
Why are we taking about skin color? Why do you keep bringing up skin color?
Maybe just well since sorry understand very hard.
Alright. Let’s start from the beginning. I’m not a native speaker, so I may not understood you. Sorry about that lol 😅
So, what do you want me to sorry about?
I’m not a native speaker either. In fact, this is my third language. I have no desire to keep doing this. Read what you wrote up thread carefully, then consider whether that’s a nice thing to type about millions of people you have never met.
Good luck.
I’m not happy about accusing millions of people either. However, I have experienced all my life what religion can do to countries or people when it finds a gap. Especially in a religion like Islam, which is not as neutralized as other religions.
I am aware that what all I said were cruel, unfair and racist. But I don’t regret it.
I’m from Turkey. If my ancestors were cruel like me, rather than tolerant like you; We wouldn’t be governed by a right-wing, sharia-supporting government right now.
You’ll probably don’t believe, but we used to as secular as France 25 years ago. Then these people found a gap, tricked “human rights supporters” and “LGBT” people and got supported by them. Yes, Erdogan was literally pro-LGBT back then.
Anyways, end of story, they slowly boiled us just like the frog in the pan. Unfortunately, I see this pattern in Europe as well.
Yes, in Italy, led by far right Christian traditionalists, removing parenting right from gay couples.
Christianity can be as restrictive as Islam, if used by the wrong people.