This needs to happen with Appl too. AppleTV/Safari/Messages/etc app for MacOS + SIP my ass. Its not integral and if you’ve made it so you need to unmake it so, along with other bundled crap. SIP should literally refer to that and only that in aggregate which is necessary to ensure the system is able to function, not per se function in an un-overruleable way for the maker.
Don’t forget TV brands like samsung and LG who force some apps down your throat even if you don’t want them. You can’t remove those apps. Amazon is even worse with their firetv devices, they just install apps on your behalf that you can’t remove. We don’t own anything anymore.
Ya but I can just use a box and not have the TV itself connected to the internet and you can have it in gaming mode so you basically never see the splash screen with all tha crap
I do this as well, but the smart TV bullshit on my Vizio constantly switches itself back on.
I have a button on my remote now that fixes my input by switching to the box in one fell swoop because this happens so much. There is no setting to stop this, as I already have it set to not change the input.
Yes. They should allow removing apps like Safari and, as you said, Apple TV, iMessage, and other non-basic (on a computer) utilities, then downloading them again from the App Store.
On an unrelated note, I also turn off SIP to change the icons of system apps.
Wait Windows users are allowed to manage their software ?!? Get out of town.
As a certified windows user, can confirm, I do not have free will to install anything
yes, and it’s easier than linux
checks notes Registry editing?
Or just use Bulk Crap Uninstaller
I just bulk crap uninstalled windows and moved to Linux
Linux users truly are the vegans of the tech world.
Ain’t that the truth
In both cases, I’ve encountered a lot more people complaining about them than I have obnoxious Linux users or vegans
People actively seek out annoying people to justify themselves.
Must not be using your eyes much then, or you’re just a bit selective about what you see.
This sounds like some desperate projection to me lol
They seriously cannot stop talking about Linux… At this point, It’s endlessly annoying, as it’s on literally every post about any operating system.
Nearly every post is about Windows or MacOS yet when someone mentions Linux suddenly it’s a problem?
I also hate how Windows and MacOS are mentioned on every post about operating systems yet here we are. Why is no-one talking about Temple OS?
But seriously why doesn’t your rule apply to the other operating systems? Perhaps no-one is promoting Windows because it’s not the OS they chose, it’s the OS they got and it’s their god given right to be miserable and make sure everyone else is.
How dare I care about my operating system choice and how I use my computer. How dare I recommend it to other people. How dare I try to convince them to give it a go because it might be better for them. As a Linux user I am truly scum, the worst of the worst.
Do you think people never hear about Windows, iOS, Android, etc?
I think you just get irrationally angry when people bring up something you don’t use. We get it, you use Windows btw.
I find it kinda staggering you think it’s not appropriate for someone to mention alternative OSes on a submission where people are criticising an OS lol.
Let’s apply that thinking to another product: Samsung TV does bad thing. Do you think it would be inappropriate or unusual for commenters to mention that other TV brands exist? If not, then why is it different for this other tool?
It’s not like there an infinite number of OSs. Unless you have a Mac the choice is basically Windows or Linux.
It’s absolutely logical that any operating system post will have comments pushing Linux.I hope that one day someone makes another better OS, because Linux is annoying as well. But until then you’ll have to suffer these comments.
Meantime, the BSD crowd: “am I a joke to you?”
Vegans care about the well-being of other creatures, so that’s actually a kind comparison.
Too kind for me. There would be more software made for me if others stopped letting proprietary software take advantage of them.
You must’ve kept the button pressed too long. Oh well.
No harm done
I’m working on that
Way too late…I switched away from Windows 100% already. Linux works perfectly fine.
Too many of the programs I use are Windows only.
Like what? I’ve found alternatives or many run just fine using Wine. Might run a little slower if your computer is older, but likely everything else is running faster on Linux anyway, so it makes up for it.
I use many proprietary pieces of software that are only available for Windows.
I find that unless that software needs access to hardware, or is very performance sensitive or uses some newer Windows APIs, most of the time Wine can run it. I still have Windows installed for those few things that require it. But over time that has become less and less.
I even had to grab the TP-Link easysmart configuration utility yesterday to configure an old managed switch and the exe ran perfect on Wine. I was honestly quite surprised. In fact I first started it up and it didn’t detect anything and I was afraid it was incompatible, but turned out the second NIC in my PC was just set up on the same config in network manager because I had been playing around with some stuff. It also runs the old Windows Epson Scanner software and drivers that my old scanner requires that no longer work in Windows 11.
Anyway, for old proprietary stuff I find that Wine emulates older Windows and DOS better than Windows 10 or 11.
Does this also impact Apple, will they also need to allow removing Safari? If yes, is it possible that they might allow removing other things like iMessage and Apple TV?
If even MS themselves calls it “benefits”, why not enable it for all by default?
Because fuck you.
Why is this a topic at all? Don’t you own your machine?
I’m surprised I own my shoes at this point. Any tech bros wanna take care of that with an app?
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I give it less than a year before this goes the way of the Windows 10 start menu registry tweak.
You Linux supremecists are so edgy…
I use Linux sometimes, too… But like… This shit is getting so old.
We get it, you like Linux. Now let people talk about other platforms without constantly talking about your platform.
I only have Linux on my servers at home and at work, as well as on my laptop, and I agree with that, it’s arrogant and getting so damn old. Lemmy has such a boner for Linux and loves shoving it in everyone’s faces.
You do realize that Lemmy is an opensource platform, which runs on Linux, and is maintained by volunteers who are passionate about Linux? Does it really come as surprise that Lemmy is full of Linux enthusiasts?
If you don’t like all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a proprietary social network instead, maybe one with a red alien logo or with a blue ‘f’…
Being an enthusiast doesn’t mean you have to preach about it everywhere you go. This post isn’t talking about Linux whatsoever. They’re starting to remind me of religious nuts that always make everything about their religion.
But its not the same person preaching about it everywhere now is it? If you think you’re seeing it everywhere, it’s because this is a community built and run by Linux enthusiasts, so naturally you’ll see a lot of people talking about Linux here.
This post isn’t talking about Linux whatsoever.
No, but OP was talking an alternative solution, which of course, was tongue-in-cheek, but apparently it triggered the parent poster in a PTSD sort of manner.
It’s not the same religious nut preaching about it everywhere, either, doesn’t make it any less annoying. It also doesn’t make it any less annoying to be preached everyday even if you live in a community based around the religion.
It’s also not about people talking about Linux. As a subscriber to Linux memes and Linux gaming communities, I have no issue with people talking about Linux. It’s when they are plugging Linux in an article that has nothing to do with it, especially in a community that is very aware about the existence of Linux, that it simply becomes a circlejerk and an attention seeking behaviour, instead of providing actually useful response to the post.
Everyone here knows Linux is an alternative to Windows, we don’t need the crazy Linux fanboys reminding us by posting stupid jokes about it on non-Linux posts.
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No, but OP was talking an alternative solution, which of course, was tongue-in-cheek, but apparently it triggered the parent poster in a PTSD sort of manner.
Or maybe people think tuxangelicalists are annoying
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your platform.
You do realize you’re posting this on a opensource platform, which runs on Linux, and is maintained by volunteers who are enthusiastic about this stuff?
If you don’t like all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a proprietary platform instead, maybe one with a red alien logo…
Because Linux, by its very nature, is the solution to these kinds problems, but if you insist on suffering through using Windows thats on you.
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So what? I was not talking about situations where there is vendor lock-in. I needed Windows for Photoshop in the past, I’m not that dumb.
I’m talking specifically about stuff like ads, privacy, unremovable bloatware, forced logins and such. And I stand by what I said: Linux by its very nature will not have these issues. And its very reasonable for people to recommend it in face of those.
Photoshop works in Fedora ;)
I got it to work on Ubuntu back then, but it was annoying as hell.
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If you use Windows you know they will re-enable that on the next update, after you took your time turning all the garbage off. That was the final drop in the bucket for me to switch away from Windows some years ago actually.
I do agree Windows can be pretty decent when you do that, but if I am to have all this work to set up my machine, and then having them undo it, then I might as well learn a system that actually does what I tell it to.
Are you sure it has no telemetry? The only way I can think to be sure would be to block it in your router. Lots of software still does telemetry even if you try to disable it. There was a researcher a while back who found out that iOS sends in telemetry even if you explicitly disable it. He had to basically MITM his own phone and watch all the packets in Wireshark, but he figured out it was sending telemetry even with all the telemetry options disabled.
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It’s good, but you can’t know for sure if you removed all bloatware. Also if you install updates you can easily miss newly added ones.
Windows is like Reddit. There is more content and users, but we use Lemmy for a reason. So I’m not surprised that many people joke about GNU/Linux in this thread. GNU/Linux is not for everyone, but so do Lemmy.
Same. I recently built a new machine and considered putting win10 on it instead of 11 due to all the complaints I’ve read. Instead, I just went with 11 to give it a try. After install it took me about an hour, but I had all recommendations, ads, and other annoyances turned off. After that setup, I’ve really liked the OS. Everything just works. Plug in new hardware and it just works. Download some random new software and it just works.
I say this as a software engineer that works with Linux systems daily.
For my personal use, I want my pc to just work. I spend enough time configuring and making things work at my job, I want my home pc to be no hassle and to work with everything I throw at it.
For this, windows is, by far, the best.
I hope you’ve got backup solution if Windows ever prevents you from working.
It must be important if you’re prioritizing it over your software freedom…
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Last time I used Linux it came with its own bag of problems like hunting down drivers and incompatibility issues and random bugs that wouldn’t let me use the wifi without digging up solutions in some obscure forum. Maybe it’s not the case anymore but I don’t hear many people lauding it for its competitive UX and ease of use.
Huh, my experience is the exact opposite. On Linux there was zero hunting for drivers of any kind. At all. They were all just included in the Linux kernel. Out of the box drivers for everything I had.
On windows it was: ok first I need my motherboard chipset driver, now I need my WiFi driver, and now my graphics driver, now the driver for this microphone, and finally the driver for this controller.
Each of which I had to search online for the right website, download an installer, run an installer, and delete the installer afterwards.
To me, that was a much more clunky experience.
GNOME’s UX has come a looong way in just like 3 years.
I assume the same is true for KDE now that Valve is investing money in it.
Out of all mainstream desktops, GNOME is the only one which dares to create a new workflow which is simple yet very powerful
familiarity of kde is good too.
and its just getting better and better too!
People like you make me so fucking embarrassed to be a Linux user.
So you’re claiming that all of Lemmy is a Linux only community?
When did I say that? I implied it’s only natural for there to be a lot of Linux enthusiasts, in a community built and run by Linux enthusiasts. So it shouldn’t come as a surprise seeing these sort of posts everywhere.
You food supremecists are so edgy…
I eat food sometimes, too… But like… This is getting so old.
We get it, you like food. Now let people talk about eating human shit without constantly talking about what you put in your mouth.
We just want to eat human shit in peace. Stop telling us there’s a better way, we get it, you don’t like human shit and you think we should be eating food instead. Stop preaching about it.
I mean… Linux does solve the problem described. Why pay for a platform with the problem when the solution is free?
You think i’m paying for windows?
You’ve never bought a laptop with Windows?
But aside from that, even if you downloaded an ISO then cracked it, you’re still paying for it in the same way you pay for Google services - with your personal information.
In Soviet Russia, Windows crash you!
Let just say you don’t pay… with money.
Most people who think Windows came with the computer for free don’t know that the licence cost is baked into the total cost.
Another fosstard
Honestly, your bitching was far more intrusive than this unharmful joke. That joke was actually funny.
You’re either being intellectually disingenuous, or you’re new to Lemmy. Every goddamn thread about Windows here ends up littered with “jokes” about how great Linux is, and how shitty Windows is.
It’s beyond exhausting at this point.
And the goddamn distros can’t even support a fingerprint reader nor a nvidia card, or forces you to do some terminal voodoo to make the thing work, or crashes without warning after an update.
But somehow that’s better than Windows. -_-
It’s Nvidia that has poor support for some standards, not the other way around.
And it’s not like people don’t run into issues, probably more often, with Windows update. The last time I updated Windows my audio got fucked and even rolling back the update and reinstalling audio drivers didn’t work. I had to reinstall windows entirely, which takes a bizarrely long time.
And yeah, IMO, it’s far better than Windows, and it’s not even close. But it’s just a tool. Use Windows if you want to use Windows.
to be fair its not Linux that doesnt support nvidia, its the other way around.
and it works fine if you dont have more specific use cases.
Windows fanboys will justify anything just because it locks them in and forces them to use it. People with stockholm syndrone justifying terrible anti-consumer decisions by Microsoft are the ones really exhausting me.
Use it if you want to, or need to, but don’t be mad at the people actually trying to come up with and improve the solutions we have.
Too bad?
Was half-expecting Rick Astley ngl
Beat me to it!
Can you just do right click uninstall? or do you have to follow a 12 step hacker method that would cause updates to stop working until you reinstall windows again?
Windows has become the most bloated ad-infested spyware os in existance and more people are leaving it more than ever before. In just few more years, it will be a thing of the past
This is what I want to know as well. Is it a simple process or more involved?
Reading the article, you do some registry edits to tell Windows that it’s in Europe. Then you uninstall as if you were in Europe. No word on what other consequences this might have.
If you have to tell Windows that you are in Europe then the title is nonsense.
“You too can drink alcohol even if you’re underage”… All you have to do is Lie, and get a fake ID". > Wow thanks.
Debloat windows if you need to use it for work or something
A youtuber that actually devs and provides tools for the public?
What a gigachad.
But can you remove Windows from Windows?
Throw a brick at Windows to brick it.
You need to triforce it.
Still waiting for that LTSC
A reminder that you own your machine. If you chose the paid-spyware OS, why complain about it?
Linux users when somebody doesn’t type out an essay to install a program
What I do to install software on my Linux PC:
Open the app store. Search. Click install. Done.
Updates are done through the same app store that I used to install it.
What I do to install software on my Windows PC:
Open my web browser. Search for the software. Pick the right website (with most software this is easy, for some software it’s not immediately clear, be careful not to download from a dodgy site). Navigate to the downloads page. Pick 64-bit Windows (not Mac!). Press download. Open file explorer. Navigate to Downloads. Find the installer exe. Double click. Go through the installer. Press next/tick/untick options. Press finish. Go back to the file explorer, delete the installer exe. Go to my desktop, delete the shortcut it has added (I hate it how every installer seems to do this!)
Updates are either done when I open the app and it does a check, which is frustrating, when I open an app I want it to open, I don’t want to see a prompt to update, OR through a separate updater app that runs at startup, making my PC sluggish at boot.
There are shortcomings in Linux, and there are things Windows does pretty well. It’s funny that you picked the thing Linux is literally the best at hands down, and Windows is the worst at, hands down. It’d be like if you complained about MacOS not being visually consistent lol
You should have picked something that Linux is genuinely bad at, like HDR support or something.
You missed the bit where you scan it with an antivirus program which flags it but the download site says that might happen and you have to decide who to believe
I’m sorry, but the “fragmentation” of Linux distros and the number of ways to install a program on Linux are also issues.
On Linux (or at least Ubuntu), you have to manage sources to install some programs, and that is WAY too complex for an end user. Fine, you can always use the CLI or search online, but then you run into fragmentation issues. “Why is there no Ubuntu download? Do I click the RPM one?”
On Windows, yes, it’s more clicks on average, but it’s a very consistent experience across all programs. You either open up the Microsoft Store, or you Google the name of the program you want and hit “next” until it’s done. No managing sources and no deciding which file extension you need. The only issue would be deciding between 32 bit and 64 bit.
No, you search the store, pick the app, press install. The end user doesn’t care or know whether the package manager is installing a flatpak or an RPM.
It’s not like people installing Windows programs need to know whether the installer is an .exe or an .MSI file, they just know that pressing the installer they downloaded brings up an installer. They don’t need to know about the low-level packaging fundamentals.
It’s not just more clicks on average, it’s more confusion, more prone to installing non-genuine software, and still fragmented. Do I install 32 bit? 64? Arm32? Arm64?
As for there are too many ways to install a program, what nonsense is that? You’re not made to open the terminal, just as you are not made to open powershell and use Winget. You can literally use this exact same argument against windows, yet you aren’t.
Look at the pictures I linked to. One is far easier than the other, and Windows isn’t the easy one.
