why?
times have changed
Times have been updated.
Godamnit Einstein, not again.
Almost made me tear up a bit
they’re probably patching a security flaw, because we live in the future now and it is perfectly normal for a simple clock to have backdoors that can read your bank accounts
“My dishwasher is on the internet!” - “Why is on the internet?” - “To download software updates!” - “Why does it need software updates?” - “To fix security vulnerabilities!” - “Why would it have security vulnerabilities?” -“Because it’s on the internet!”
I never connected my refrigerator to the internet. Why the fuck would I need Bixby on my refrigerator? I don’t even use the voice assistant on my phone.
Yeah, I’m absurdly suspicious of pretty much everything connected to the internet these days. I’m suspicious of any cameras, of people randomly happening to take a picture with me in the background. I’m suspicious of talking out loud around my phone…the future sucks.
Although, thankfully the pandemic has given me a seemingly never-ending excuse to wear something over my face at all times.
haha, same, every time someone asks me for a pic i have to choose between refusing by making something up (bad hair etc), going with the privacy infodump, or accepting and just regretting it for my whole life
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Don’t forget lightbulbs.
https://support.sengled.com/hc/article_attachments/360041314774/mceclip3.png
Great plot for hackers 2.
Megaman Battle Network was prophetic. You’re just living daily life and then a terrorist kills your child by hacking the AC.
Thank you. I forgot about that game. I had meant to play it for some time.
That update is going to take some time.
Man…fuck you…take your upvote and gtfo
Estimated update time is being updated please wait [Estimated update time is being updated please wait[Estimated update time is being updated please wait…] minutes] minutes
Aww man
Incoming the switch to Linux tribe…
Sir, do you have a minute to talk about our lord and savior Linux?
No, no Its GNU/Linux Lol
That’s a very conservative take
I’d just like to interject for a moment.
You haven’t really lived until you’ve played UT2K4 on Hannah Montana linux.
For a reason.
I don’t disagree.
For the first time, I am actually dual booting with Mint and using it. Honestly, it wouldn’t be a thing without Proton. Props to Valve!
🐧🐧🐧🐧
Windows users get so pissy when you tell them they’re doing it wrong.
You should see Linux users when you tell them that the problems they have with Windows haven’t been a thing since XP
How’s that OS spying on you and showing you ads thing going? Is that not a problem anymore?
The ads you only see with a fresh install, which you can click away in less than a minute and never encounter them again in your life?
The ads you can completely circumvent by installing the N version of the Windows OS of your choice?
No, those are no problems what so ever.
No, those are no problems what so ever.
Love how you had to list all the exceptions and workarounds first in your reply, and then state there’s no problems.
Denial is a powerful drug.
I mean, if you want to continue having to deal with things like this, then more power to you.
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What ads? I do not see any ads on my windows 10
You haven’t been keeping up with the news. They’ve already been prototyping and testing them.
Also, from this article …
Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025.
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Then I guess I won’t have a computer anymore
Don’t think that level of stubbornness will serve you well in life.
You guys are just very annoying. We all know linux exists but I kinda like being able to play all games I want without needing to check if my OS can handle it lmao
“I just want to avoid a problem I made up”
While the ProtonDB website exists, I’ve never had to check it, every game I purchased through Steam or GoG (Bottles) just ran. /shrug
That’s an old trope you’re wielding around like a club.
Also, as far as the annoying part, it’s not about a competition and we want to win, it’s that we’re trying to pull you out of the water and into the lifeboat, but you keep insisting on drowning in the ocean.
It’s a
smartclockThe smarter the tech, the dumber the privacy agreement
I would like to move into a paradigm of no software updates for things software updates are not appropriate for.
Well, either roll such updates out centrally, which Windows is capable of, I don’t know why they don’t use it here.
Or make it an entirely optional download, where the user can decide when to download.
Or just make the update process less shit. Don’t block usage until the update is applied. And ideally just swap out the files in the background, although unfortunately that really isn’t easily doable on Windows.
roll such updates out
This seems counter to the goal of not having updates
Yes, I was listing ways this could be solved without throwing out the baby with the bath water. For one, to point out that they really did actively choose the worst option.
But also, because as a professional software developer, I’m sympathetic to needing to roll out updates, even if they’re not security-relevant, since you can’t perfect your code before shipping.Having said that, I do think, the professional/commercial software development model is terrible for such basic utility applications. Use an open-source application instead, where the hobbyist dev does have the time and passion to perfect the code before shipping it.
And updates at non-intrusive times for the rest. I’ve been late for so many meetings when Zoom insists on doing some painfully slow update. (I know I could open it 5 minutes earlier but it’s still a bad user experience.)
We have altered the Clock app. Pray we do not alter it further.
It will now report home every timer you’ve ever set, what names you gave them, and what browser tabs were open at the time.
“We’re making the clock app cloud enabled! Now you’ll be able to set and clear alarms from any of your Windows™ connected devices! We’ve also implemented customisable actions with PowerShell scripting now fully integrated! Want your display to show a lovely sunrise every morning? Clock App can do it!”
Next minute -
"Security update 13112023-33: A malicious user can access the internet-exposed ClockAccess™ interface on your devices, setting alarms with scripted actions that can cause complete loss or exfiltration of your data.
To mitigate this issue, we have shifted ClockAccess™ to a more secure, fully cloud-based service. This also means that the updated application will not start if there is no internet access, please adjust your usage of the application accordingly.
As the Clock app runs under a Local Administrator account on consumer versions of Windows™ and Domain Administrator on Windows Server™ machines, this is a high priority update and it will be installed on application startup without user confirmation. You may notice increased resource utilisation by the Clock App, this is a necessary increase due to security features. It is recommended that at least one vCPU and 1.5GB of memory be made available at all times for efficient operation of the app."
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Plus Linux could update it in the background while the app is running. There’s no reason windows can’t do these things, and yet, it can’t.
It can’t, really. What Linux will do (and Windows won’t) is delete old files and replace them with new ones while they are still in use. But this has two problems.
- It can lead to stability issues. See e.g. Firefox, which refuses to open new tabs and can’t shut down cleanly if you update using the package manager while the browser is running. If you replace a binary executable in use and it later tries to load a shared library dynamically, it will get an unexpected version of that shared library which can potentially lead to memory corruption. Similar problem the program tries fork+exec itself to create more instances (like Firefox and Chrome do).
- It won’t actually update the running process in memory, so even if you install security fixes your system will still be vulnerable. To be safe after e.g. fixes to libc you really need to reboot your system, but most distributions hide this fact from the user.
Windows could certainly opt for a similar solution as Linux. They just chose a stricter and more reliable model for file locking, for good or bad. For what it’s worth I personally prefer the Linux model, but that’s because I know to reboot my system after updating it. I don’t trust my dad to take that social responsibility so he needs to be forced.
Outside of the kennel a reboot is not necessary you just restart the app/service it’s really not rocket science.
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Updating a shared library requires an understanding of which services (and interactive programs) use that shared library. There’s a lot of room for mistakes. So while restarting specific services can be worth it for a high-availability server, for a desktop PC I find it easier and less error-prone to just restart the machine.
You’re wrong about everything
I work at night and Windows loves to push Windows Updates at night regardless of my normal work schedule.
Take a trip to the bathroom or just don’t move the mouse for a few minutes and Windows will reboot (fuck whatever you had running) and spent an hour or two installing an update (fuck the rest of your night)
Linux doesn’t ever try to force itself on you like that, it’s a respectable OS
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Linux distros usually raises a reboot required flag. But thats usually to complete some kernel or system update. Windows just go ahead and reboot on update ruining the workflow.
When you get the message to reboot ignore it and do your work. Then shutdown after doing it. Turn on when you need it the next time. And its all well
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There’s a configuration file you can edit to prevent that. The Flatpak configures this automatically for you.
“updates were installed, you should reboot”.
But I think you can ignore it, the updates just will not take effect until you reboot.
“DAE too many Linux posts?! BRB need to reboot windows for the 30th time today.”
That’s a strawman argument, I can’t remember the last time I had to reboot Windows, and the last few updates have only taken a few minutes. They also install on shutdown most of the time.
Linux bros really a blight on lemmy
Microsoft is a blight on humanity.
Tell that to all the businesses running on it.
I dont give a shit.
I have never had problems with windows updates nor has it never rebooted on me. Dunno what the hate is for, at least windows works without knowing 79 different programming languages and having to scour through git repos from 2002 for drivers just to get a driver compiled for your headset (it wont compile because it requires a bingbong-SDK mainted by a guy from turkey who refuses to update it from 1.95v2 to more recent 1.99-6 which is incompatible with your dial-up modem)
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Hilarious joke 🙄
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You’ve never had windows reboot on you for an update? Are you running 3.1 or something?
I’ve never had windows force a reboot and I don’t even turn my PC off at night like the other guy does
I just tell it to schedule a time for the middle of the night and go from there
I think maybe back in the xp/vista days that happened once or twice, but not in well over a decade now
At least that works for you. I’ve never been able to get windows to respect my “active hours.” Especially on my work laptop - I work overnight, and frequently have to open up a command prompt to override the forced scheduled restart. Even though the active hours thing allows you to put in a day that starts at PM and ends at AM, something about my work day crossing over midnight apparently just makes windows shit its diaper.
Edit: Dang, fuck me for just relaying my experience. Didn’t realize we weren’t allowed to criticize the godOS.
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Not everyone uses windows just to play solitaire Margret.
From command line it’s “sudo dnf update” for example and if you use flatpak, “flatpak update”, updates everything. Or just click update in software manager.
There are programs that are not compiled/packaged by their developers and you have to do it yourself, but so are on Windows. But for OS from Microsoft noone would mention such program, because compiling on Windows is nightmare in comparason. C for example was designed for Unix-like systems. More high-level languages have less dependency installing, but still.
Nowadays people run WSL to compile programs for Windows and that says something…
EDIT: To people in responses below, don’t get too engaged to something that can be trolling.
There’s even an Update (technical docs) portal so apps can configure themselves to appear to self-update, without actually having to implement self-updating.
For your food windows?
I misread that, too. With punctuation, it would be:
…for my food. Windows, why?!
(They’re addressing the Windows operating system.)
That’s not misreading, that’s miswriting!
Windows: Feed me!
with your data
Just yesterday it requested me to verify my account (with a full UAC dialog) before opening the clock app. I guess it was trying to sync (?) the custom alarms/timers (??) between my devices (???) but… WTF, Microsoft.
For some reason windows will update their own app from their own app store, and then immediately apply another update when you open the app.
Their whole system is so hacked together.
little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since they’re ‘store’ updates now, you have even less control over them. it’s rather annoying.
little things like this that would have only gotten updates for one version of windows to another, for ui changes or sumsuch, now get updates frequently, and since they’re ‘store’ updates now, you have even less control over them. it’s rather annoying.
This is actually not a Windows but a general modern development issue. Things need to change. Change! CHAAAAANGE! Value! Effort! Work! Endlessly! GROWTH!
Look at how many apps update every 1-3 days. It’s crazy.
one mans “rather annoying” is another mans “fucking infuriating”… i’m the other man
Come to linux, we have the ability to update every 10 seconds or never, entirely your choice.
Already am on Linux for the past 5 years ;-)
But my work PC is windows shit, soooo
At least issues with the “work PC” are generally paid.
I hate dealing with Windows issues in my time for free.
i got my dad to let me install Linux on his PC aswell. I told him that i will not come over to fix his windows install ever again but i would be happy to teach him how to use linux. He is very happy on Linux Mint for the last 2 years now aswell
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u mean starting a linux vm on my work pc? that’s not possible. Workplace services shut those things down completely. Can’t install or run anything not blessed by the pope himself.
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yup it sure does… especially since i am working in IT but all my collegues “dont want the hassle of implementing linux machines into the work environment… windows works why do you want linux?” gosh darnit
Ah yes I need to update my lock so I can get the latest ads and spyware.
Just had a similar issue with Samsung watch. Go to time food and the entire ui changed that I need to figure out but my food is on the grill already
The most annoying thing with these updates is the way they don’t give you any kind of indication of what’s happening on your system during an update.
Have had cases where an application was ‘updating’ and looking in task manager/networking tab I can see no network traffic and no disk usage, seemingly hung up for 15 minutes or longer.
