i wonder why a country under economic sanction from the US & its allies for decades might have economic trouble. i wonder why they’re rude to the US after the US bombed and murdered their people for 3 years & still occupy the southern half of their country
I mean the US did have talks and if you’re not willing to concede anything that’s on you. Also, military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation.
South Korea is on its FIFTH version of the country because the US continually coups it whenever the existing people aren’t doing exactly what they want. It’s called the Fifth Republic for a fucking reason. It is an occupied vassal state entirely subservient to the USA and has been ever since the US genocided one fifth of the population of Korea (all of Korea).
I had no clue there were several republics kinda like France (I think?), I searched Wikipedia and it said that they are on their 6th republic, not 5th. Maybe you are off by one? Either way it’s a poor mark on the country and its governance.
Ahh yes 6th. Working from memory in most of my responses and without checking I’m pretty bad at dates and numbers tbh. It’s worse with african countries though I am one of the people that mixes up their histories all the time to my great shame. I don’t even know why it happens, I don’t do it with south american countries.
The general point stands, the stability of their government is directly tied to whether or not they’re doing what the americans want. And whenever things aren’t going precisely as desired the coups happen incredibly easily. By design.
I wonder if someone could make a series of movie trailers for each republic with the executive producer being the US and having all sorts of poor takes.
Executive Producer: “No, no, we need LESS military oversight for the next one, SPEND MORE on practical explosions, the audience will love it!” Director: “But sir, we already had half an hour of explosions, the most common criticism was about the confusing plot which was always interrupted by explosion sequences.” Executive Producer: “We need those to keep the audience on their toes! We can’t plan explosion scenes we need to let the invisible hand of the free market decide and let us know!!”
military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation
45 fucking years the US propped up, armed, and aided the dictatorial rule of conservative and military governments in South Korea. South Korea’s army still comes under US control in wartime, but sure 2 decades of just mostly corrupt “democracy” means they can just opt-out of US military garrisons. nothing bad would happen to the government that demands that, no matter how popular it is with the Korean people
if you’re not willing to concede anything
the US won’t concede basic demands like moving their troops off the border! fucking ridiculous equating Korea’s refusal to expose itself to attack with US bases thousands of miles away from the US
That’s crazy but true. Funny thing is that a month before the poll the guy had a 10% approval rating. It’s only after the South Korean president was discussing demilitarization with Kim in the 2018 summit did people come to trust him.
hmmm… It’s almost as if you would show some good faith that you are willing to concede and not be a nuclear crazy warmonger, people would look positively at you. Crazy isn’t it?
The point is that I was criticizing Kim because he was being authoritarian and hostile towards the west. You said that the South Koreans love him though. But they liked him after he was trying to find peace and concede with the westerners. This shows that he was changing his ways. I’m assuming that you don’t want that though.
I thought I should give you the info and let you realize what’s going on, but honestly that’s on me. I should have realized you’re a smooth-brain as soon as you parroted a headline without knowing what the fuck is going on.
It’s only hilarious if you’re highly propagandised and have never examined any of the absolutely ridiculous propaganda that has led you to feel the way you do about them such as:
Or that they’re aggressive or something? Like what? How many wars has Korea been in since the US killed 1 fifth of its entire population in the biggest post-holocaust genocide the world has ever seen?
The shit you believe is ridiculous, why do you believe this shit? Why have you never actually said “that sounds fucking stupid”? You don’t examine anything critically at all. You just go with the flow because you’ve seen everyone else be hyper negative about it and never really actually stopped and thought about any of these utterly ridiculous things.
In the meantime, the US is responsible for starting 205 out of 248 conflicts between ww2 and 2010. And yet the DPRK is supposedly a bad rogue state? You’re out of your mind, you do not apply the same principles to one of these countries vs the other, you are guided by FEELS based on whatever propaganda has successfully taken hold in the population. You aren’t really guided by facts or real accessible information we have via the worldbank data and the UN.
You live in the largest, most expensive propaganda machine that’s ever been created by man
You’re talking about a country and an ideology that propaganda machine has been willing to burn the world with nuclear hellfire to contain for a hundred years
Learn about the things you’re talking about. “The forgotten war”
Yes. North Korea is and has always been the good guys.
That’s impossible to believe but you can swallow the idea they tell their people they’ve dug up unicorns. You believe they make everyone have the same haircut as the dictator but you can’t believe that an enemy of a country currently assisting and giving protection to a genocide could be the good guy.
No they don’t, actually. And the way you brush off someone asking you to learn something with a vacuous smug affectation should be your first clue that you are indeed uneducated at least.
Grunge is dead. “I don’t care everything sucks” is infantile. Everyone has seen the ‘both sides it’s complicated taking a position is a sign of mental illness’ bullshit enough at this point. It’s a trick to feel smart that doesn’t work anymore. Get a new bit.
Why though? What makes you think that other than “in bad country it is bad” ?
What actual things do you know about this country that drives you to have such an emotional reaction? Do you have this reaction about any south american countries or african countries? Many of them are capitalist countries that are significantly worse off for their people. Why is your emotional reaction significantly different for this one in particular?
The answer is propaganda. Your assessment is not a levelheaded on based on any real educated understanding of the data in comparison with other countries. Your assessment is based on feels acquired through the popular beliefs. Guess where those popular beliefs come from? The same place yours have come from, with the same level of understanding that you have. It’s ignorant feels all the way down. Created by the strongest media propaganda machine ever devised in history.
Is any of this to say that it’s all fucking rosey over there? Fuck no. Most of us are not juche and believe in a mixed market approach like what is being undertaken in Cuba, Vietnam, or China. We mostly have large criticisms of the isolated approach. But does that mean we buy into all the bullshit spread in the west and perpetuate it uncritically? Also no. That’s what you’re seeing here. People countering the utterly ignorant western bullshit liberals spew isn’t an explicit endorsement of the country, but an attempt to get people to calm the fuck down about it and look at it in a more measured way.
Uncritical support to the DPRK in its heroic struggle to rid occupied Korea of the genocidal US Empire. Uncritical support to the Juche ideology and its implementation.
It’s pretty hilarious that you’re so smug and up your own ass you pretend to not understand that other political ideologies exist that may differ from your own. So full of yourself and your own self aggrandizement that you can’t type a sentence without presenting it in such a way as though the other person is so stupid for not seeing things your way. Take your smarmy ass back to reddit. No one likes nor wants you around on their forums
“Authoritarianism” is a buzzword used by people who think that a government which does anything beyond letting itself get railed by corporations is overreaching, come up with better material
I work in the heavy industry. “Industry 4.0” is a buzzword. Does that mean that the actual physical thing that the word supposedly describes isn’t real?
Authoritarianism is the biggest buzzword of the generation, not because it isn’t real but because it is real and it’s all around you and yet you can’t realize it. If you live in the west, or in the imperial core, you live in the world’s largest panopticon, but you don’t perceive it. You don’t perceive it because you are not politically conscious.
Part of the reason that minorities in the west, especially people living in poverty, are so keen to latch onto a leftist understanding of the world (matrix of domination for slightly less radical, onto Marxism in the most) is because they are acutely aware of the authoritarianism that weaves the fabric of your society. I want to state explicitly that one of the primary reasons that you are not aware of it is that you’re most likely part of the ingroup, or you live within the green zone which your nation’s bourgeois has prescribed to you, meanwhile most minorities are face to face with it, suffering with an ailment that is invisible to you.
But here you are calling a country you’ve never been to, and will never ever travel to, along with every country ran by an asian or brownskinned person “authoritarian”. You don’t do it because of your political knowledge, you just regurgitate a buzzword you’ve heard on TV or on social media. You’re like my grandma asking me about “that ChatGPT thing”.
chronic food shortage stricken, ostracized North Korea “the Good Korea”
Yeah, nobody can be morally good if they’re poor and ostracized. Certainly not some guy who started a religion that underpins much of Western morality to this day.
Wild to me how many replies you’re getting that defend North Korea. A failed state that has a starving population with no freedoms and is completely ostracised from most of the world. By choice.
This is not correct. Food security in the country has drastically improved and continues to improve - FAO data - Unicef data - both support this position.
By choice.
No? The reason it’s ostracised is a UN vote that was successfully passed that has never been challenged since because the DPRK is not in or allowed to join the UN, any attempt to would be immediately veto’d by the west. This is called 1718.
Wild to me how many replies you’re getting that defend North Korea
You see, this here is a problem. You consider simply stating factually true things that people are generally unaware of to be “defending north korea”. You live in ignorance and seek to maintain that ignorance in other people rather than view the situation in a more balanced and academic way.
Post was written at 4am. Genuinely not sure what I meant. No challenge can be made to resolution 1718 though because it includes the requirement for the DPRK to stop developing nuclear weapons and icbms, and that’s a non-option.
There is literally no “ad hominem” in that entire fucking comment, telling you that you don’t know about something (ignorance) is not ad hominem, dickhead. If you’re going to do reddit-tier debate-pervert shit to deliberately keep yourself in ignorance of factual information and stop yourself from ever learning anything then at least get your fucking debate-pervert shit correct.
Ad hominem arguments are ones that dismiss your arguments based on insults or attacks on you personally, not just being insulting while making an argument against you.
The fact that you don’t know that (or can’t tell the difference between them) just demonstrates your ignorance, so in this particular instance they weren’t even being insulting, they were simply stating a fact.
You live in ignorance and seek to maintain that ignorance in other people
Quite literally the definition of argumentum ad hominem. Attacking my character as well as my motivations, neither of which are the subject of the discussion and are only being used in a fallacious way in an attempt to cement their argument. Their follow-up just demonstrates why it’s not worth the time to engage with someone who makes such fallacious bad faith arguments.
The preceding paragraphs were attacking my argument and would have made an interesting argument otherwise.
No, you dumbfuck, there is no argument attached to those insults. There is nothing in their comment saying that you are wrong because of your ignorance, which is what an ad hominem argument is - we are pointing out why you are wrong, and then calling you a lentil brained moron.
This is stuff they made me learn at school over 20 years ago as a 13 year old. You should be embarrased that you can’t even get the most basic fallacy right.
It’s pretty hilarious that any person would call the totalitarian, chronic food shortage stricken, ostracized North Korea “the Good Korea”
i wonder why a country under economic sanction from the US & its allies for decades might have economic trouble. i wonder why they’re rude to the US after the US bombed and murdered their people for 3 years & still occupy the southern half of their country
I mean the US did have talks and if you’re not willing to concede anything that’s on you. Also, military presence in the country is pretty different from occupation.
South Korea is on its FIFTH version of the country because the US continually coups it whenever the existing people aren’t doing exactly what they want. It’s called the Fifth Republic for a fucking reason. It is an occupied vassal state entirely subservient to the USA and has been ever since the US genocided one fifth of the population of Korea (all of Korea).
I had no clue there were several republics kinda like France (I think?), I searched Wikipedia and it said that they are on their 6th republic, not 5th. Maybe you are off by one? Either way it’s a poor mark on the country and its governance.
Ahh yes 6th. Working from memory in most of my responses and without checking I’m pretty bad at dates and numbers tbh. It’s worse with african countries though I am one of the people that mixes up their histories all the time to my great shame. I don’t even know why it happens, I don’t do it with south american countries.
The general point stands, the stability of their government is directly tied to whether or not they’re doing what the americans want. And whenever things aren’t going precisely as desired the coups happen incredibly easily. By design.
I wonder if someone could make a series of movie trailers for each republic with the executive producer being the US and having all sorts of poor takes.
Executive Producer: “No, no, we need LESS military oversight for the next one, SPEND MORE on practical explosions, the audience will love it!”
Director: “But sir, we already had half an hour of explosions, the most common criticism was about the confusing plot which was always interrupted by explosion sequences.”
Executive Producer: “We need those to keep the audience on their toes! We can’t plan explosion scenes we need to let the invisible hand of the free market decide and let us know!!”
Lol I can see that working.
It’s fucking weird though thinking about France being on their Fifth republic over a period since the 1700s and these 6 occurring in… 60 years.
It is impossible for any normal unpropagandised person to look at this scenario and not see something is up that’s worth scrutinising.
And France had some really legit reasons for that count like having monarchy restaurated twice and being occupied by nazis.
45 fucking years the US propped up, armed, and aided the dictatorial rule of conservative and military governments in South Korea. South Korea’s army still comes under US control in wartime, but sure 2 decades of just mostly corrupt “democracy” means they can just opt-out of US military garrisons. nothing bad would happen to the government that demands that, no matter how popular it is with the Korean people
the US won’t concede basic demands like moving their troops off the border! fucking ridiculous equating Korea’s refusal to expose itself to attack with US bases thousands of miles away from the US
46% of s. Koreans support unification versus 26% against, the United States constitutes the single greatest obstacle to this & Korean soverignty
Did you know that as of 2018 Kim Jong Un has an 80% approval rating?
… In South Korea.
That’s crazy but true. Funny thing is that a month before the poll the guy had a 10% approval rating. It’s only after the South Korean president was discussing demilitarization with Kim in the 2018 summit did people come to trust him.
hmmm… It’s almost as if you would show some good faith that you are willing to concede and not be a nuclear crazy warmonger, people would look positively at you. Crazy isn’t it?
You’re really desperate to make a point where there is none. ISn’T tHaT cRaZy?
The point is that I was criticizing Kim because he was being authoritarian and hostile towards the west. You said that the South Koreans love him though. But they liked him after he was trying to find peace and concede with the westerners. This shows that he was changing his ways. I’m assuming that you don’t want that though.
I thought I should give you the info and let you realize what’s going on, but honestly that’s on me. I should have realized you’re a smooth-brain as soon as you parroted a headline without knowing what the fuck is going on.
If war breaks out, the RoK is supposed to turn overall command of its military over to the US.
South Korea is not a sovereign state.
It’s only hilarious if you’re highly propagandised and have never examined any of the absolutely ridiculous propaganda that has led you to feel the way you do about them such as:
Using anti aircraft guns for executions (“according to south korean media” lmao)
They have to push the trains
They all have to get the same haircut
Or that they’re aggressive or something? Like what? How many wars has Korea been in since the US killed 1 fifth of its entire population in the biggest post-holocaust genocide the world has ever seen?
The shit you believe is ridiculous, why do you believe this shit? Why have you never actually said “that sounds fucking stupid”? You don’t examine anything critically at all. You just go with the flow because you’ve seen everyone else be hyper negative about it and never really actually stopped and thought about any of these utterly ridiculous things.
In the meantime, the US is responsible for starting 205 out of 248 conflicts between ww2 and 2010. And yet the DPRK is supposedly a bad rogue state? You’re out of your mind, you do not apply the same principles to one of these countries vs the other, you are guided by FEELS based on whatever propaganda has successfully taken hold in the population. You aren’t really guided by facts or real accessible information we have via the worldbank data and the UN.
You live in the largest, most expensive propaganda machine that’s ever been created by man
You’re talking about a country and an ideology that propaganda machine has been willing to burn the world with nuclear hellfire to contain for a hundred years
Learn about the things you’re talking about. “The forgotten war”
Yes. North Korea is and has always been the good guys.
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That’s impossible to believe but you can swallow the idea they tell their people they’ve dug up unicorns. You believe they make everyone have the same haircut as the dictator but you can’t believe that an enemy of a country currently assisting and giving protection to a genocide could be the good guy.
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No they don’t, actually. And the way you brush off someone asking you to learn something with a vacuous smug affectation should be your first clue that you are indeed uneducated at least.
Grunge is dead. “I don’t care everything sucks” is infantile. Everyone has seen the ‘both sides it’s complicated taking a position is a sign of mental illness’ bullshit enough at this point. It’s a trick to feel smart that doesn’t work anymore. Get a new bit.
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“The forgotten war” refers to the Korean war. I’m asking you to learn about the Korean war.
“Contender” “destroying” oh my god please shut up
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Why though? What makes you think that other than “in bad country it is bad” ?
What actual things do you know about this country that drives you to have such an emotional reaction? Do you have this reaction about any south american countries or african countries? Many of them are capitalist countries that are significantly worse off for their people. Why is your emotional reaction significantly different for this one in particular?
The answer is propaganda. Your assessment is not a levelheaded on based on any real educated understanding of the data in comparison with other countries. Your assessment is based on feels acquired through the popular beliefs. Guess where those popular beliefs come from? The same place yours have come from, with the same level of understanding that you have. It’s ignorant feels all the way down. Created by the strongest media propaganda machine ever devised in history.
Is any of this to say that it’s all fucking rosey over there? Fuck no. Most of us are not juche and believe in a mixed market approach like what is being undertaken in Cuba, Vietnam, or China. We mostly have large criticisms of the isolated approach. But does that mean we buy into all the bullshit spread in the west and perpetuate it uncritically? Also no. That’s what you’re seeing here. People countering the utterly ignorant western bullshit liberals spew isn’t an explicit endorsement of the country, but an attempt to get people to calm the fuck down about it and look at it in a more measured way.
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Read any books written by Bruce Cummings
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They genuinely are the good guys.
You should move there and leave the internet to the rest of us then. Why keep hanging out in the giant propaganda machine, right?
“love it or leave it” says the “anti-authoritarian”
Uncritical support to the DPRK in its heroic struggle to rid occupied Korea of the genocidal US Empire. Uncritical support to the Juche ideology and its implementation.
It’s pretty hilarious that you’re so smug and up your own ass you pretend to not understand that other political ideologies exist that may differ from your own. So full of yourself and your own self aggrandizement that you can’t type a sentence without presenting it in such a way as though the other person is so stupid for not seeing things your way. Take your smarmy ass back to reddit. No one likes nor wants you around on their forums
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“Authoritarianism” is a buzzword used by people who think that a government which does anything beyond letting itself get railed by corporations is overreaching, come up with better material
“authoritarianism isn’t real” is the funniest take I’ve heard this year. I suggest you take a break from the internet.
I work in the heavy industry. “Industry 4.0” is a buzzword. Does that mean that the actual physical thing that the word supposedly describes isn’t real?
Authoritarianism is the biggest buzzword of the generation, not because it isn’t real but because it is real and it’s all around you and yet you can’t realize it. If you live in the west, or in the imperial core, you live in the world’s largest panopticon, but you don’t perceive it. You don’t perceive it because you are not politically conscious.
Part of the reason that minorities in the west, especially people living in poverty, are so keen to latch onto a leftist understanding of the world (matrix of domination for slightly less radical, onto Marxism in the most) is because they are acutely aware of the authoritarianism that weaves the fabric of your society. I want to state explicitly that one of the primary reasons that you are not aware of it is that you’re most likely part of the ingroup, or you live within the green zone which your nation’s bourgeois has prescribed to you, meanwhile most minorities are face to face with it, suffering with an ailment that is invisible to you.
But here you are calling a country you’ve never been to, and will never ever travel to, along with every country ran by an asian or brownskinned person “authoritarian”. You don’t do it because of your political knowledge, you just regurgitate a buzzword you’ve heard on TV or on social media. You’re like my grandma asking me about “that ChatGPT thing”.
I suggest you read some actual political theory.
Define authority. All governments utilise authority.
Post hog, liberal.
I can’t help being
. This is why no one actually likes you. Die alone.
I’m sure they just weren’t aware that starving your whole population is simply a “differing political ideology.” Cut them some slack.
Sorry, my bad.
“Best Korea” it is.
90% of Gazans experience severe food insecurity whereas 30% of israelis are obese. Whos the “good” country? the fat asses or the ones starving them?
Yeah, nobody can be morally good if they’re poor and ostracized. Certainly not some guy who started a religion that underpins much of Western morality to this day.
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Uh oh folks we got ourselves a propaganda consumer!
Wild to me how many replies you’re getting that defend North Korea. A failed state that has a starving population with no freedoms and is completely ostracised from most of the world. By choice.
This is not correct. Food security in the country has drastically improved and continues to improve - FAO data - Unicef data - both support this position.
No? The reason it’s ostracised is a UN vote that was successfully passed that has never been challenged since because the DPRK is not in or allowed to join the UN, any attempt to would be immediately veto’d by the west. This is called 1718.
You see, this here is a problem. You consider simply stating factually true things that people are generally unaware of to be “defending north korea”. You live in ignorance and seek to maintain that ignorance in other people rather than view the situation in a more balanced and academic way.
The DPRK is in the UN. Unless you mean the UNSC, but even if it were in the UNSC they wouldn’t be able to challenge the blockade resolution.
Post was written at 4am. Genuinely not sure what I meant. No challenge can be made to resolution 1718 though because it includes the requirement for the DPRK to stop developing nuclear weapons and icbms, and that’s a non-option.
I’m not going to engage with someone who resorts to ad hominem attacks.
There is literally no “ad hominem” in that entire fucking comment, telling you that you don’t know about something (ignorance) is not ad hominem, dickhead. If you’re going to do reddit-tier debate-pervert shit to deliberately keep yourself in ignorance of factual information and stop yourself from ever learning anything then at least get your fucking debate-pervert shit correct.
This comment is ad hominem. Loser.
Ad hominem arguments are ones that dismiss your arguments based on insults or attacks on you personally, not just being insulting while making an argument against you.
The fact that you don’t know that (or can’t tell the difference between them) just demonstrates your ignorance, so in this particular instance they weren’t even being insulting, they were simply stating a fact.
Quite literally the definition of argumentum ad hominem. Attacking my character as well as my motivations, neither of which are the subject of the discussion and are only being used in a fallacious way in an attempt to cement their argument. Their follow-up just demonstrates why it’s not worth the time to engage with someone who makes such fallacious bad faith arguments.
The preceding paragraphs were attacking my argument and would have made an interesting argument otherwise.
No, you dumbfuck, there is no argument attached to those insults. There is nothing in their comment saying that you are wrong because of your ignorance, which is what an ad hominem argument is - we are pointing out why you are wrong, and then calling you a lentil brained moron.
This is stuff they made me learn at school over 20 years ago as a 13 year old. You should be embarrased that you can’t even get the most basic fallacy right.
You okay?