“As the president of the United States, you have power to change the course of history, and the responsibility to save lives right now,” the staffers wrote.

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    Trump would have enabled and emboldened Israel’s government to kill more Palestinians. That would have been a worse outcome. There is no such thing as rock bottom. It can always get worse.

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      So how many murdered Palestinians are an acceptable amount for you?

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        Certainly not 11 thousand. Why are more murdered Palestinians acceptable to you? Do you seriously think you’re going to guilt trip people into getting more people killed?

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          Rather, it was supporters of Biden trying to guilt trip everyone into voting for him and now we see the consequence of it. You either voted or are defending those who voted for genocide, I haven’t done either. Next time I hope no one supporting Biden will feel morally superior to those who do not feel they can willingly support this kind of policy which only enables the freefall toward fascism both domestically and abroad.

          If people like you feel comfortable with your choice in voluntarily voting for genocide-lite and will vote for it again, then I am just simply reminding you of the blood on your privileged hands. Deep down you know it is true.

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            The only one who feels morally superior here is you. I implore you to reconsider. By not voting for Biden you are enabling a Republcian lead christofascist take over of the United States. Once the US becomes a fascist dictatorship it will support the fascist takeovers that are happening in Israel and India. Millions of muslims will die all over the world as a result. It’s not about being morally superior, it’s about avoiding firing squads killing all of us. Please get out of whatever echo chamber you’re stuck in. It’s going to get us all killed. edit: typo

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              Ah, yes, it’s only my imagination and projection that Democrats were drunk with feelings of moral superiority in the last two elections.

              What has Biden done to prevent fascism spreading domestically and abroad? How has Biden stopped the death squads of the IDF killing Muslims right now? When has Biden protected Americans from the Christofascist Supreme Court? How is it worth voting to support genocide to protect a so-called ‘democracy’ when the choice, according to you, is a fascist-enabler and a fascist? When is it worth families being murdered to make you feel safe?

              Apologies but you are the one in the echo chamber. Our path is inevitable.

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                Ah, yes, it’s only my imagination and projection that Democrats were drunk with feelings of moral superiority in the last two elections.

                Yes.

                Apologies but you are the one in the echo chamber. Our path is inevitable.

                You are in echo chamber. We have a chance to avoid disaster but only if we vote the Republican fascists out.

                What has Biden done to prevent fascism spreading domestically and abroad? How has Biden stopped the death squads of the IDF killing Muslims right now? When has Biden protected Americans from the Christofascist Supreme Court? How is it worth voting to support genocide to protect a so-called ‘democracy’ when the choice, according to you, is a fascist-enabler and a fascist? When is it worth families being murdered to make you feel safe?

                Biden kept us in NATO and is supporting Ukraine. Biden appointed a progress supreme court judge, which is all he can do until more supreme court judges die of old age. Biden has gotten the current events in the Israel-Palestine conflict wrong, but that does not make him a fascist enabler or a fascist. Biden wanted Israel to defend itself from Hamas and minimize civilian casualties. He didn’t tell Israel to commit war crimes.

                Trump is a fascist and a fascist enabler. More families will be murdered under him. I feel safer knowing he isn’t in the White House, instructing Israel to commit war crimes. The difference is millions of lives.

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                  I’m not even going to address your either blatant lie or severe historical amnesia about Democratic evangelism, despite the fact you are still proving my point by arguing that choosing Biden to Trump was the morally superior choice and that not voting for Biden ipso facto makes you a Trump supporter (which is morally inferior).

                  Biden kept us in NATO and is supporting Ukraine.

                  Is this the same Ukraine where he sends arms and money without demanding that said arms and money do not go towards Nazi regiments such as Azov? Supporting one fascist group which trains US-born fascists against another fascist group has prevented fascism from spreading?

                  Biden appointed a progress supreme court judge, which is all he can do until more supreme court judges die of old age.

                  Are you sure that’s all he could do? So he’s powerless to protect us from Christofascists in power? We just have to wait it out?

                  Biden has gotten the current events in the Israel-Palestine conflict wrong, but that does not make him a fascist enabler or a fascist. Biden wanted Israel to defend itself from Hamas and minimize civilian casualties. He didn’t tell Israel to commit war crimes.

                  Is Biden’s “unwavering support” for Israel’s Right-wing and genocidal fascist Netanyahu not fascist-enabling? What then is the difference between being “wrong” by funding and arming Israel and continuing to defend them politically, and being a “fascist enabler”?

                  I feel safer knowing he isn’t in the White House, instructing Israel to commit war crimes. The difference is millions of lives.

                  Yeah, the difference is you feel safer.

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                    I’m not even going to address your either blatant lie or severe historical amnesia about Democratic evangelism, despite the fact you are still proving my point by arguing that choosing Biden to Trump was the morally superior choice and that not voting for Biden ipso facto makes you a Trump supporter (which is morally inferior).

                    Morality sucks. It often leads people to the wrong conclusions. It’s not about moral superiority. It’s about stopping fascism and millions of deaths.

                    Is this the same Ukraine where he sends arms and money without demanding that said arms and money do not go towards Nazi regiments such as Azov? Supporting one fascist group which trains US-born fascists against another fascist group has prevented fascism from spreading?

                    The Azov Brigade has been denazified. The founders of the militia are now in their own political party which thankfully has won zero seats last I checked. Russian propaganda isn’t credible information.

                    Are you sure that’s all he could do? So he’s powerless to protect us from Christofascists in power? We just have to wait it out?

                    I have read the constitution. Appointing Supreme Court justices is in fact all he can do in regards to the Supreme Court. The Republicans waited 50 years to take our freedoms away. Now we may very well have to spend 50 years voting to get them back. This is why elections matter.

                    Here is a transcript. You’ll want article two, section two, paragraph two.

                    Is Biden’s “unwavering support” for Israel’s Right-wing and genocidal fascist Netanuayu not fascist-enabling? What then is the difference between being “wrong” by funding and arming Israel and continuing to defend them politically, and being a “fascist enabler”?

                    Biden doesn’t support the fascist right wing of Israel. It’s hard for any world leader to single out the political parties of another country. World leaders have little recourse but to interface with other world leaders. We are reaching a point where we are going to have to start denouncing countries for putting fascists in power. This of course goes against decades of foreign policy of sticking with your allies no matter what. But we are going to have to because fascist dictatorships are incentivized to betray democracies.

                    Yeah, the difference is you feel safer.

                    Right. Because I am. And so is everyone else.