ceasefire
begin talks with the other Palestinian government that isnt Hamas
You can take the power away from Hamas by taking away palestinian people’s reason to be angry. But as it stands, Hamas is literally the Gazan government.
Genuine question - What would be the realistic solution?
I’m by no means absolving Israel. The voices of their government alone show that they don’t even try to prevent civilian casualties. But of the top of my head I don’t exactly see a solution. For example putting a foot on the ground would provoke their neighbors. They can’t just ignore them either.
Israel funded Hamas and their policies basically created them. They’re an easier target for westernes than the secular PLO. Maybe the solution is ending apartheid and the illegal occupation? Maybe, and I know this is really crazy but, bombing the shit out of a group of people isn’t going to lead to less retaliation?
Hamas has asked for a ceasefire many times. Also why would they not agree to end the apartheid system? The only reason I could think of would be so they could garner more hate towards Israel. Hmm, but doesn’t that mean that it would be in Israel interest to end it to weaken Hamas?
So why not just end apartheid if hamas benifits from it. Or are you just being vague on purpose?
You do realize you’re just creating a situation where whatever Israel does is always justyfied? They help create a terrorist group, create an open air prison where the people who live there can’t leave and then bomb their schools, hospitals, refugee camps etc. Always with the excuse that Hamas might be there. So what’s the excuse for murdering Shireen Abu Akleh in cold blood? Or for the settler colonialism in the west bank? What is about colonialism you don’t understand that leads to more and more violence?
Let me get my magic wand and end apartheid. Yes, there, it’s done.
I do not realize I am creating a situation that Israel is justified. You filled in that information. All I said is Hamas uses human shield, what is the solution?
Mate, they’ve tanks circling Gaza city the ships sailed for provoking neighbours and they’ve already provoked Jordan by bombing ambulances, aid convoys, hospitals and schools.
A one state solution that results in the dissolution of the state of Israel entirely and the creation of a new state where Arabs aren’t held as second class citizens, where both groups live under the same laws and are prosecuted in the same Justice system.
This is a shit-tier excuse for bombing schools, regardless.
Yeah their take seems to ignore the fact that there’s other options than just drop a bomb on the school
You can take the power away from Hamas by taking away palestinian people’s reason to be angry. But as it stands, Hamas is literally the Gazan government.
Genuine question - What would be the realistic solution?
I’m by no means absolving Israel. The voices of their government alone show that they don’t even try to prevent civilian casualties. But of the top of my head I don’t exactly see a solution. For example putting a foot on the ground would provoke their neighbors. They can’t just ignore them either.
Israel funded Hamas and their policies basically created them. They’re an easier target for westernes than the secular PLO. Maybe the solution is ending apartheid and the illegal occupation? Maybe, and I know this is really crazy but, bombing the shit out of a group of people isn’t going to lead to less retaliation?
The PLO wanted to remove Israel from existence for most of the time it was in power, it’s not like they were saints either.
I never said they were saints?
But you very strongly implied it, stating the PLO is palatable.
I said they were secular? They are more palatable then Hamas in the wests eyes. I don’t think that is controversial even.
They weren’t even that, they wanted all of the Jewish immigrants gone, and the whole Palestine region returned to Palestinians. That’s not secular.
And maybe Hamas will agree to a ceasfire, stop fighting, give up power, and agree to end the apartheid system? Hmm, no they would not.
Hamas has asked for a ceasefire many times. Also why would they not agree to end the apartheid system? The only reason I could think of would be so they could garner more hate towards Israel. Hmm, but doesn’t that mean that it would be in Israel interest to end it to weaken Hamas?
So that they can regroup and attack again. They’ve said this on record.
Because power. They have control and things are the way they like it.
So why not just end apartheid if hamas benifits from it. Or are you just being vague on purpose?
You do realize you’re just creating a situation where whatever Israel does is always justyfied? They help create a terrorist group, create an open air prison where the people who live there can’t leave and then bomb their schools, hospitals, refugee camps etc. Always with the excuse that Hamas might be there. So what’s the excuse for murdering Shireen Abu Akleh in cold blood? Or for the settler colonialism in the west bank? What is about colonialism you don’t understand that leads to more and more violence?
Let me get my magic wand and end apartheid. Yes, there, it’s done.
I do not realize I am creating a situation that Israel is justified. You filled in that information. All I said is Hamas uses human shield, what is the solution?
“putting a foot on the ground”
You mean a ground invasion? Which they’ve already started. The bombing is just to minimise Israeli casualities.
Mate, they’ve tanks circling Gaza city the ships sailed for provoking neighbours and they’ve already provoked Jordan by bombing ambulances, aid convoys, hospitals and schools.
A one state solution that results in the dissolution of the state of Israel entirely and the creation of a new state where Arabs aren’t held as second class citizens, where both groups live under the same laws and are prosecuted in the same Justice system.