An attempted carjacking Saturday night left a 13-year-old dead after a security officer shot him; another boy, 12, is in custody
A lot of people seem to mistake carjacking for car theft. Especially mentioning that the person who shot the 13 year old was a security officer gives a wrong impression on what happened.
Carjacking is when the robber(s) take control of a car with a person inside the car. This is what happened here, with the security guard being inside the car. Under these circumstances it’s perfectly reasonable to consider shooting the robbers and it’s unreasonable to expect the security guard being able to identify the robber as a 13-year old harmless child. There is significant plausible risk to the person inside the car to warrent lethal force during self-defense.
Car theft is stealing an empty car. Shooting someone would be entirely unreasonable during a car theft.
The article doesn’t mention wether the car had window tint and the two kids where unaware of the person inside or if they intentionally tried to rob the person. That information might change what can be considered reasonable response.
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Imagine how fucked and shitty your life has to be, to be a 12 or 13 year old trying to carjack people.
Not bad at all. Rich kids do horrific shit all the time. Like rape people, drive drunk and kill people, etc etc forever. This is just some kid who played gta, had some mental issues, went out and did shit, then didn’t have rich immoral parents to pay people off and bury it.
I didn’t suggest rich kids were immune?
It’s lemmy! Where regardless of what topic you bring, you’ll just get “rich people suck” and “fuck capitalism” as incoherent, tone deaf responses.
I’m not tone deaf. They’re saying that their life must suck. I’m saying that shitty behavior isn’t related to quality of life. I get that you’re center-right and middle class and tired of having to hear people talk about topics that don’t apply to you personally. But… grow up.
Being rich doesn’t mean your life doesn’t suck, just that you don’t have money problems.
Did you have a shitty childhood too?
Don’t forget “America bad,” “what’s a tankie,” and “DEFEDERATE!!!”
You think Americas good?
We have plenty of issues but it’s pretty good here overall.
I bet a guy called “show me your asshole” sets the bar pretty damn low, even if you’re a proctologist.
But they are. 🤷♂️
Being rich and having a fucked up and shitty life aren’t mutually exclusive.
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rape people, drive drunk and kill people
one of those is not quite as bad as the others
I think you think there are three items in that list when there are only two.
We did some pretty fucked up things when I was a teenager and while our lives did suck, the risky choices and crime were from being young and stupid, not poverty.
Having nothing to lose is a hell of a thing
Being in prison or the juvenile court system is rarely an improvement regardless of how much your life sucks.
Imagine how many people have shitty lives and don’t carjack people at 12.
Note to thread: An off-duty security officer with the U.S. Marshal’s Service is not a security guard.
Rumour has it that she called him by his full name – middle name and all.
And took off her slipper?
Kamehamechancla!
La Chancla! 🩴
The worst part of this is that a security guard (not even a police officer) shot and killed a 13 year old child for attempting to steal a car. No one’s life is worth more than some vehicle
They approached from both sides of the car with their hand on their waistbands as if they had a weapon. Was he supposed to magic his way out of that? Talk to them? Plead?
He had a gun. They threatened a person with a gun. This is what happens sometimes when you do that. It’s the risk you assume when you take up carjacking. It’s a high-risk occupation.
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Self-defense is one thing.
Car-defense is another.
If somebody is threatening your life for your stuff then they are still threatening your life. Their motive doesn’t change the fact that they are threatening to kill you.
But no lives were actually threatened.
An unarmed 13 year old who could pantomime met a grown ass US Marshal.
Once again the actual intent doesn’t matter because that was only known to them. The only people who knew if they actually had weapons or not were them and you’re going to fault people for believing them when they said they did. They were threatening another persons life (once again no one knew they were faking it except them) that is the only thing that maters in this situation.
They knowingly made the marshal believe they had weapons, was the marshal just supposed to let themself get shot? There are a lot of things to criticize US police for, but protecting themselves when there is a clear, deliberate, and imminent threat on their lives is not one of them.
Yes it’s sad that a troubled kid with an underdeveloped brain made a stupid decision and was killed for it. But that doesn’t make it ok to victim blame someone for defending themself from a threat upon their life.
"Once again the actual intent doesn’t "
The fuck it doesn’t, you absolute goddam monster.
Ok rather than childish name calling, explain to me how that marshal had any way of knowing what their intent was. Also it is convient how you left the last part of that sentence off.
Name calling is all he knows.
Well, that and the very clearly made up stories
Seems most people here think you are the monster.
That person cannot know the intent, only that it appears their life is threatened, your shortsighted if you cannot see that.
Courts tend to disagree with you. Even if a weapon is simulated, if used as a threat, it’s often considered the same as actually having the weapon, because the victim is threatened just the same.
pardon me sir, please may I verify the lethality of your weapon before we continue this discourse?
If I poke you in your back with a stick and say “do exactly as I say and you might, just might, live through this”
Are you seriously going to:
- go “nah bro, I don’t believe you, go home, you’re drunk” or
- are you going to take me very fucking seriously and not only comply but also try to think really hard and fast about getting out of dodge using any (and I do mean any) means necessary because you reasonably assume I have a loaded gun pressed against your back?
If you answer the first option, then we stop now, as you’re clearly being dishonest.
Well… you won’t believe me, but when I was walking home through an alley at night after my community College classes, and I had a .22 pressed into my back shoulder with a voice saying “don’t fucking move”, I turned around (pretty slowly in fact), took the gun (quite casually in fact) and then watched the dude run.
Then I called 911, turned the gun over to the cops, and filed a report.
I didn’t have a gun myself, and I didn’t shoot at his back with his gun.
So ya… I see what you are trying to do, but personally, I think I’m just pretty dumb and not a pussy.
Cops told me the guy was a simple mugger who had been working the block for about a month, and I should have just given him my wallet, but they also seemed pretty jazzed to have his gun.
you won’t believe me
Correct. I did not.
I think I’m just pretty dumb
At least we agree on something
Cops told me the guy was a simple mugger who had been working the block for about a month, and I should have just given him my wallet, but they also seemed pretty jazzed to have his gun.
And then everyone clapped
Great job sugartits.
You won the internet with your “he should have murdered that unarmed 13 year old” rhetoric.
Feel like a big boy now?
Cus all I see is you and your kin. A bunch of piss babies running round with your guns.
No mass shootings ended. But yall real efficient bout murdering brown children.
Yet again you’ve missed the point. And now you reply with emotion and anger instead of thinking, even for a moment.
I can tell you again and again, as others have done. However, sadly I cannot make you understand.
For the record, I do not own any weapons. Never have and probably never will.
What about self defense when in a car?
What about self defense in a box?
Self defense from a fox?
Self defense on top of rocks?
Self defense like fort Knox?
Your levity at the summary execution of a 13 year old speaks for itself.
Your inability to comprehend basic written information is concerning.
Maybe block this instance, your opinions seem incompatible with the majority opinion here.
Maybe you should gargle my ballsack.
Low tier fruit here.
