Only 17% of Arab American voters say they will vote for Biden in 2024, according to a new poll.
Didn’t Trump literally already say he was bringing back the Muslim ban and making it worse? But ok, I guess vote for him anyway. Most republican voters vote against their own interests all the time so they’ll fit right in until they’re deported.
They’ll probably just not bother voting for either. Why waste time doing so if you’ll get screwed regardless?
Why waste time doing so if you’ll get screwed regardless?
So the solution to this is to sit home knowing full well that benefits the man who is literally campaigning on the promise to screw you harder?
You argue that because you see a difference between them, but for marginalized peoples they are the same.
It’s sad you can’t see how false that is because of how recent events have unfolded. It’s like you’ve just now looked at politics for the first time. You’re so concerned with the marginalized people on the other side of the world you’d let it happen here out of short-sighted spite.
RIGHT NOW, a strict Christian fundamentalist was elected speaker by the GOP. Given further empowerment, he would cause more harm to marginalized people and much of the populace. He has declared his intentions. This will not help the people of Gaza if that’s really your only concern.
Because they’ll be screwed much, much harder with Trump.
To not get screwed?
If Arabs don’t vote for Joe or stay home pouting on the couch on election day, the only thing they’ll accomplish is to enable the tragic national nightmare of a second trump misadministration and a whole new tsunami of violent, stochastic terrorism-driven Islamophobia that has already cost innocent Muslim Americans their lives
They’ve been put in a seriously shitty and unwinnable situation. Either way, Arab Americans lose and that’s fucked up.
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fuck this. This is literally what people said during Trump’s first election. Guess what? Making things worse doesn’t magically make things better.
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Man, check revolutions throughout history. They don’t happen because authoritarian governments get too authoritarian. They happen when authoritarian governments let up the pressure during times of tension.
Authoritarian governments that collapse due to over-authoritarianism typically fall to coups, not revolutions.
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The real answer is to vote local, get involved, if there are no good options run or find a decent person who is capable of running. Either way, support the campaigns of those decent options, do a little volunteering. Change happens from the ground up. Changing the whole system at once is impossible, slowly spreading change from the local level shows other disenfranchised voters there is a chance, and it picks up momentum from there.
Throwing away your vote is a sure fire way to make things worse. Vote for the candidate that has the highest odds of winning who will make things better, or at least not worse. Just because you don’t like the candidate on the “left” doesn’t mean they’re not the one that will objectively do the least harm in office. Letting Trump or anyone else on the right in office is objectively bad on so many measures.
Voting third party is morally reprehensible. Even if it makes you feel better, it’s worst for all of us. Don’t be selfish.
The US isn’t even close to being bad enough for a revolution to happen.
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You probably want to read up on Social Fascists and why the concept you’re espousing is terrible.
History says enabling fascists doesn’t end up with a glorious revolution, but rather a bullet in the head of the left.
Until first past the post is done away with your 3rd candidate vote is an awful idea.
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Voting 3rd party only increases the chance that they’ll do it again
It’s too bad Americans can only choose between senile old people or criminals to be president
We’re choosing between Trump and Trump?
It’s too bad Americans can only choose between senile old people or senile old criminals to be president
FTFY
As long as they don’t vote in the primaries that will continue to be a problem.
Good thing (for genocide Joe’s ego) the DNC is refusing to hold primaries at all then.
The solution to this is so simple - Biden gets out of the way for literally any other Dem to run and sweep the election. The entrenched power structure won’t have it though.
So, don’t blame Muslim Americans, progressives, or anyone else for Biden’s failure to lead. This is on him and the DNC who backs him.
That’s the reality of the two party system. They don’t matter, because what are they ultimately gonna do, vote for the other guy?
Or just not vote.
So few people vote that it doesnt even read as a protest anymore but “voter apathy” and one party benefits more from it.
I mean, at this point if they want to support fascist white supremacy, there’s not much I can do for them. That’s what not voting is.
Even if they do, the Palestinian diaspora has almost no presence in “swing states” in the US.
What are you talking about? Detroit has a ton of them and Michigan is a swing state.
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Man the amount of people in this thread that can’t understand that some people don’t want to vote for someone who is supporting a genocide of their own people. “But Trump is worse!” Well, yeah, but this is still pretty fucking bad, and were I American I’d hesitate to support it too. It’s not like most of these people will vote for Trump, they’ll just stay home or vote for a 3rd party.
Those comments make me so angry. There is a genocide being perpetrated on Arabs in Palestine, and Biden is actively defending it. It should be absolutely no surprise that Muslims and Arabs are not going to vote for a genocide denying turd actively trying to fund and arm the perpetrator.
For real, Democratic administrations can’t go and have whatever abhorrent policies, including actively supporting an ethnic cleansing, and turn around and go “the other guy is worse, actually. And if YOU don’t vote for us it’s YOUR fault if this country devolves into fascism”
That is not what a functioning democracy looks like.
Someone just replied to me saying exactly that. Bravo!
The USA has not had a functioning democracy in a very long time.
I would argue never
It should be absolutely no surprise that Muslims and Arabs are not going to vote for a genocide denying turd actively trying to fund and arm the perpetrator.
I can’t see how voting for the guy who’s going to fund and arm the perpetrator anyway, while using racial slurs to describe you and get you kicked out of the country is any better.
voting for the guy who’s going to fund and arm the perpetrator anyway
There’s your reason right there, everything else literally doesn’t matter. Would you be surprised if a Jewish person didn’t vote for a Holocaust enabler, even if the alternative was someone else who was even more antisemitic?
I also don’t see where you’re getting Muslims are going to vote for trump from, they’re just going to stay home. This is what democrats are best at, blowing minority support because they lack a backbone. If Muslims will suffer either way, why should they even participate?
“Vote blue no matter who” is a moot point to many people, particularly minorities, who will continue to suffer either way. Biden is supporting the murder of Muslims, how could they stomach bubbling his dumbass zionist name on election day?
You realize that Trump and the Maga cult will do the same exact thing right? Evangelicals think Isreal has to be there for their rapture to occur? They also pump the military industrial complex more so than democrats do but you think voting for the literal Christian Fascist will end better for Arab populations? And not voting just gives more power to trump. Honestly I get there is a lot of emotion here but you can’t be that fucking stupid and short sited right? I hate what’s going on but we still live in a dual party system and unless you genocide half the US population that’s not gonna change anytime soon. Maybe in 2028 if all unions can get their contracts to align and effectively create a general strike legally we could finally see some change but it takes time.
Jesus Christ.
Everyone knows that Trump sucks more.
Both are zionists, both enable genocide, both treat Muslims as second class citizens. Muslims are dehumanized, ignored, and suffer either way.
Nobody’s vote is a guarantee, what part of that is so hard to understand?
Not voting for Biden, is not voting for Trump, it’s sending a message to democrats that their position is untenable and needs to be revised. You can pretend all you want that all Americans have the luxury of voting for a lesser evil. That option does not exist for Muslims after October 7th.
I absolutely will never vote for a psychopath that enables the starvation of over a million of children. Regardless of who those children are, regardless of what political positions are held by that individual.
Don’t blame Muslims when Biden loses. Blame Biden for making 1.8 billion people, including millions of Americans, hate him so much they would sacrifice anything to see him lose.
Don’t blame Muslims when Biden loses. Blame Biden for making 1.8 billion people, including millions of Americans, hate him so much they would sacrifice anything to see him lose.
No I will because we have billions starving all over the globe, genocides in China, Russians trying to take over Ukraine and destabilize our governments and you are just happily playing along because you do not understand you not voting is fucking voting. You are not making a point by ensuring we go into fascism, you are actively enabling fascism. I blame religions in general for where we are today and people’s lack of ability to realize they are complete bullshit. How many more may die of your inaction? If Biden wins and we make sure we vote in proper representatives, then we can still work to better the situation he isn’t a fuckikg dictator like trump wants to be if you just throw up your hands and let democracy die there is no chance at aiding this situation or making it better. You are eating into the right wing propaganda that causes you to vote against your interest but go off on how you aren’t being an enabler. Fucking idiots this world is filled with, absolute morons.
The simple fact is that Biden and his administration can immediately provide relief to millions of innocent people by forcing Israel to allow humanitarian aid and a humanitarian ceasefire in exchange for further US funding, as opposed to the carte blanche funding, support, and military aid we are currently giving to them as they ethnically cleanse gaza.
All of the other problems are out of Biden’s reach, he can’t stop the genocide of the Uyghur people, he can’t force Russia to give up, and he can’t feed the “billions” starving around the globe.
If censoring Palestinian and American Muslim voices and actively chaperoning a genocide isn’t fascist to you, then I don’t think you understand the term.
Man, the amount of people in this thread that don’t understand downballot exists, and that’s the best tool to force direction changes within upballot. I always vote for the least worst on the upballot and exclusively progressive+educated in the downballot.
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I disapprove of both.
The situation is the fault of Democrats so I won’t be voting for them. I won’t vote at all. My views are not represented
Or instead of serving the side which is in even more in favour of genocide (Republicans) by not voting, you could actually vote in the Democratic primaries in an attempt to ensure they have better candidates.
Your aggressive apathy only serves one side.
Right now, we have a Democrat president. He is the man with the power - and therefore the responsibility - to condemn any atrocities commited. And what is he doing? In every speech he makes, he is openly supporting Israel and its policies. And he doesn’t just stop at words, he supports a gigantic aid package for Israel as well.
There is nothing “higher” in the genocide-supporter-olympics.
Keep that in mind when Trump starts the deportations
Do you guys enjoy continually going through this cycle of ‘vote for the least bad war criminal or society will collapse’ every 4 years? You realise that you’re going to lose at some point, right? It amazes me that liberals keep doing this and never think of trying anything else.
The ‘something else’ would be a better voting system that’s not two party. In the meantime, our choices are bad or worse.
Maybe you should put this energy in advocating for change, rather than shaming people into voting for war criminals. You say “in the meantime” like it’s just going to come around to you with no action.
A vote happens once every four years. We are perfectly capable of doing other things on non-voting days. It’s not mutually exclusive
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“Look, we’re not silly—we know what Trump has done to our communities,” says Amer Zahr, the president of the Dearborn-based New Generation for Palestine. But when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he continues, “The policies are basically the same. Except when Trump does it, you get some pushback from the Democratic Party.”
Positively delusional.
So they’re going to vote for Trump? Trump is a very strong ally to Israel. Trump certified their land grab of the golan heights. Best guess is he would certify the land grab of all of gaza
No, they just probably won’t vote at all or vote for a third party who won’t win.
Not that it’s a good idea, but that’s what will probably happen. And tbf this is more of a problem resulting from the two party system, so most people don’t like to follow the logic of vote for the lesser evil when there are many other countries that don’t force you into such a situation on literally every political decision.
The Founding Fathers envisioned it this way.
After they were done slaughtering the natives
Which is fair. Neither side really has your back on anything.
Is it better to vote for something you want and not get it, or something you don’t want and get it.
I mean a lot would vote for trump for his conservatives views, because these people only care about if you’re willing to hurt the “right” people, even if you hurt the “wrong” people as well.
GAH ZAH. Have you seen this place? Rubble everywhere. You can’t live there. It’s in Israel, isn’t it? I say, let the Israelis have their pile of rubble. Those Palestinians don’t live there anymore, can’t imagine why! They should take all of that rubble, crush it down into TINY TINY pebbles, and dump it all on Hilary’s front lawn!
I still don’t understand why the US only has a two-party system, and both of them suck ass. Can’t they elect someone else who actually has actual goals that actually benefit the country and its people? Why aren’t they allowed to do something like this? So much for freedom.
First past the post and the electoral college
Any third party candidate has next to no chance of winning, we have to vote against one side, not for another, so a 3rd party has to get enough support that they can pull the entire base of one side or the other side wins.
Don’t forget single-member districts.
Primary in candidates who want to change the system
And educate people on the side
The two party system is the system we have because we believe in the efficacy of it. I know we make the “vote blue no matter who” arguments but thats fucking exactly what they want. The parties are perfectly positioned to secure different sections of voters and lock them in. Where I felt like I wouldnt want another choice two weeks ago, I am far more likely to consider it now.
The two party system is the system we have because we believe in the efficacy of it.
No, noone believes in the efficacy of it. It is the system you have because it is now beyond anyone’s powers to reform it. It is a mixture of archaic and wilfully corrupt laws and rules, which has petrified into something that disproportionally serves one minority fringe and its interests over all others.
The majority of people does not think it serves their interests, but they are powerless to change it exactly because the small but powerful group whom it actually benefits has disproportionate power to prevent it from happening.
I’m glad to read this, some of that vote-against-biden rhetoric was starting to get into my head this week 😮💨
TBF, if Time magazine is saying this then it should cause at least some general concern as we’re a week + one year out from the vote. Single issue voters exist. I’m not addressing/excusing the rationale behind this and I can’t believe I’m calling this pain down on myself, but where are all the “big tent Dems” at? I mean, we can rationalize pandering to the right to pick up house moms that would otherwise vote for Trump, but the concerns of the Arab Americans are a bridge to far? This seems like a blind spot that could come back to haunt us like not campaigning in the midwest in 16’.
Before I get the “blue no matter whos” choir on me as well, just remember there’s a saying that proceeded that; “Democrats vote with their heart” and we need to be very mindful of everyone that relates to, as we can’t afford to lose anyone. Hate doesn’t need to be rational. It often finds it’s best fuel to be emotion.
I mean, man, if I had my way, I’d say fuck Israel, either reduce aid drastically or demand more accountability regarding civilian casualties. But unfortunately, a good half of Dem voters are still quite content to support Israel unconditionally. I absolutely am in favor of reaching out to the Arab-American community, but I doubt it’s going to happen anytime soon.
Honestly, the ‘best’ realistic outcome is that many of us will remember this shitshow, especially those who are young enough to still be forming opinions on international affairs, and unconditional support for Israel will drop further with upcoming voting age cohorts.
Pug Jesus, you always spoil me by the grace of your presence. I hear ya. With the shit shows I’ve been in the middle of lately, doubly so. I didn’t think as much of this when I first heard it, but this is like the 3rd time I’m hearing it and it feels like someone out there in media thinks this is worth warning about.
It already seems like the Biden admin is beginning to see that they are between a rock and a hard place here, so I think a lot of it will come down to how they handle this. Both parties and this system is beyond fucked, but we’re all at the mercy of it till someone can take fascism off the table and put it back in the toilet. I just really hope that they don’t fuck this up man. It already looks like Biden can’t get Israel back on “plan” or pull back on the reins anymore or it would have happened middle of last week. So it feels fucked.
I was knocking doors for candidates today and had an old man just go on for 20 minutes about how things are all falling apart because of 20 years of immigration and that he knew who was secretly all behind it. Yup, Obama. And THAT is why you don’t hear about him in the news anymore.
I don’t want this war to come back here but maybe it was always inevitable. Just so you know, rifle plates and carriers are relatively cheap. <3
Pug Jesus, you always spoil me by the grace of your presence. I hear ya.
You’re too kind! I’m just a bored cripple who pays too much attention to things that make him sad.
With the shit shows I’ve been in the middle of lately, doubly so. I didn’t think as much of this when I first heard it, but this is like the 3rd time I’m hearing it and it feels like someone out there in media thinks this is worth warning about.
Honestly, I don’t think anyone was really expecting this level of… indelicate operations from the Israelis. We’d all gotten ‘used’ to the general oppression and Israeli “Totally guys, we use responsible and discriminate military force in Gaza” excuses, and now it just feels very… mask off. I suspect some apparatchiks in the Israeli government are pissed right now that so much PR work to enable a quiet genocide is being flushed down the drain.
I don’t want this war to come back here but maybe it was always inevitable. Just so you know, rifle plates and carriers are relatively cheap. <3
Argh. As fucked as things are, I tell myself of all the crisis moments we’ve had to deal with, the country only dissolved into civil war once. One hopes that once was enough - and that the alternative isn’t worse.
Maybe something to pass the time then? https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-after-the-revolution-82966686/
If you haven’t already listened to it of course. I think it’s a pretty fun and zany, post revolt schism, sort of cyber punkish/ anti christofascist romp.
Argh. As fucked as things are, I tell myself of all the crisis moments we’ve had to deal with, the country only dissolved into civil war once. One hopes that once was enough - and that the alternative isn’t worse.
I’ve started to wonder if corruption on the global scale hasn’t made all the superpowers incompetent. The US covid response, J6, the current shitshow, and a lack of response to the Republican obstructionism has really lowered my opinion of how robust our government stateside is. I’m unsure that another civil war here would really even be recognizable as such outside maybe fights evolving between cities, states, and the federal government. Probably raids back and forth from those not in the middle. Attacks on supply lines and infrastructure. Who knows really.
Very few see these conflicts for what they really are anyway, (which by my reckoning is) the beginning of the climate wars.
I guess at least we’ve got the brains on our side and that makes things a little more hopeful. And the blessings of his holy Pugness of course.
“both sides” ☝️🤓
How are democrats different from republicans when it comes to israel? If the shoe fits…
At least some democrats are willing to admit that Israel may have done some bad
Too bad that doesn’t make a bit of difference to the party’s policies.
HOW DARE THE BROWN PEOPLE NOT VOTE FOR OUR PREFERRED GREMLIN? DON’T THEY KNOW OUR GREMLIN WILL EAT TWICE AS FEW FACES AS THE OTHER SIDES GREMLIN? IS THAT WHAT THEY WANT, A GREMLIN THAT EATS DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF FACES? THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT’S BEST FOR THEM WHEN IT COMES TO GREMLINS AND FACE EATING.
I mean yeah that’s exactly what they should do.
Hey! This guy says he’s gonna fuck us over twice as hard as the other guy! We should all ignore that fact and vote for him anyway because we’re already being fucked! Might as well make it worse right? Like what’s the worst that could happen they start genociding us here? Lmao no bro this is America they’d never really let such horrendous things occur here!
THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYING. THESE BROWN SKINS NEED TO JUST DO WHAT WE TELL THEM IS BEST FOR THEM AND STOP HOLLERING SO MUCH. WE’VE ALREADY GIVEN THE. SO MUCH BY LETTING THEM IN OUR COUNTRY.
only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for Biden in 2024—a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.
Alternate headline: 42% of Arab Americans decide to assist in electing the greater evil because Palestine.
Arab Americans? That’s just Americans, so maybe start thinking like Americans.
Are you Irish on your Mother’s or Father’s side?
