Germany suspects the Nord Stream gas pipeline system was damaged by an act of sabotage, in what would amount to a major escalation in the standoff between Russia and Europe.
But how are they “trying” to be. What effort was made to be democratic? Was it when America organized a coup of the popularly elected government in 2014? Was it when they integrated ethnic cleansing Nazis into the government? Was it when they banned their opposition? Was it when they closed their borders to all men eligible to the draft? Was it when they promised to sell off national assets to western corporations on the stock market? Was it when they declared their desire to be a second Israel (a literal genocidal apartheid state)?
No, I’m actually bringing up very specific incidents that occurred in Ukraine, that can be confirmed by Ukraine governmental sources, and that were widely reported by Western media outlets.
What you are doing, however, is trying to paint any criticism of Ukraine as pro-Russian propaganda, and then cutting off conversation when you run out of canned talking points.
I still really absolutely never said a fucking thing about Russia. This is deflection mate. Pure and simple. All I did was refute your claim that Ukraine is democratic. By bringing up the very publicly available information that Ukraine itself provided regarding their non-democratic practices.
You don’t “try” to be democratic. Either your people get a voice or they don’t. And when you ban your largest opposition party your people don’t get a voice. Simple as.
And you accuse me of “cherry-picking” and using a “propaganda handbook” but wait’ll you read how fucking often the West has backed fascist and far-right governments under the guise of gaining “more democratic status” as you put it. That is the epitome of the propaganda handbook.
Take a fucking look at literally ever nation post US-backed coups to see the exact same fucking lines, ending with the people suffering immensely in exchange for the military-industrial complex to ramp up sales, and for the resources of that nation to be ruthlessly exploited by wall street. A thing that is literally what is being promised for Ukraine.
But how are they “trying” to be. What effort was made to be democratic? Was it when America organized a coup of the popularly elected government in 2014? Was it when they integrated ethnic cleansing Nazis into the government? Was it when they banned their opposition? Was it when they closed their borders to all men eligible to the draft? Was it when they promised to sell off national assets to western corporations on the stock market? Was it when they declared their desire to be a second Israel (a literal genocidal apartheid state)?
What part of this is an “attempt” at democracy??
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I still never said a fucking thing about Russia.
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No, I’m actually bringing up very specific incidents that occurred in Ukraine, that can be confirmed by Ukraine governmental sources, and that were widely reported by Western media outlets.
What you are doing, however, is trying to paint any criticism of Ukraine as pro-Russian propaganda, and then cutting off conversation when you run out of canned talking points.
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I still really absolutely never said a fucking thing about Russia. This is deflection mate. Pure and simple. All I did was refute your claim that Ukraine is democratic. By bringing up the very publicly available information that Ukraine itself provided regarding their non-democratic practices.
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You don’t “try” to be democratic. Either your people get a voice or they don’t. And when you ban your largest opposition party your people don’t get a voice. Simple as.
And you accuse me of “cherry-picking” and using a “propaganda handbook” but wait’ll you read how fucking often the West has backed fascist and far-right governments under the guise of gaining “more democratic status” as you put it. That is the epitome of the propaganda handbook.
Take a fucking look at literally ever nation post US-backed coups to see the exact same fucking lines, ending with the people suffering immensely in exchange for the military-industrial complex to ramp up sales, and for the resources of that nation to be ruthlessly exploited by wall street. A thing that is literally what is being promised for Ukraine.
Honest to god. Read a fucking book.