Okay but that was a six year war against a comparable nation, at the time the Empire had colonized Korea and half of China so it was pretty sizeable. I think a lot of people have and will continue to argue that the nuclear bombs saved more lives than they ended.
Palestine on the other hand is a small part of the much larger Israel which is completely walled off and resource dependent on Israel including power and water which has been cut for almost a week. Israel have literally not even attempted a Ground Assault and spent the last 5 days doing nothing but Aerial Bombardment. They’re not digging trenches to hold back Hamas in even the wildest of imaginations, they’re just pressing buttons to annihilate massive complexes. Is one jew worth ten Palestinians?
I think a lot of people have and will continue to argue that the nuclear bombs saved more lives than they ended.
They traded the lives of combatants who have a reasonable expectation of bodily harm or death with civilian lives. The US traded a grueling war for war crimes. (Don’t get me wrong, Japan committed their fair share of atrocities during WW2, but that doesn’t excuse the nukes)
The Japanese leadership didn’t surrender after the firebombing of Tokyo, they didn’t surrender after the bombs, they surrendered after the Soviets declared war. The Generals didn’t give a fuck about the population, and Operation Meetinghouse caused just as many casualties as an atomic bomb. But what they definitely wanted to avoid at all costs was a Soviet occupation.
That’s fair and about 98% true but it wasn’t just a trade for combatant’s lives since after taking the islands the war was now on the Japanese Mainland in addition to the atrocities happening in the Japanese Colonies on the Asian Mainland and the intent of the Japanese to once again attack the Americas (though incredibly unlikely at that point in the war). My point still stands that comparing the power dynamic of the Nipon Empire and USA to that of Hamas and Israel is ingenuine.
For sure though, USA leadership should have been removed and held accountable for using Nuclear weapons on a densely populated area. Maybe even executed.
All according to plan for Hamas, they grow stronger every day, because they were put there by Egypt, Saudi, and Iran to sow discord in Palestine. I bet Netanyahu is loving it, too.
Are they, though? What is Israel supposed to do when the militarized terrorists use civilians as human shields? Not respond and get slaughtered by Hamas again?
I’m seriously asking: what strategy do you suggest for Israel? All answers I can think of right now are laughable in the face of the ideology and moral state of Hamas.
guarantee safe passage of women, children, and maybe elderly to west bank at the very least. slow infantry ground war to weed out and forcibly relocate noncombatants.
Being female or younger than 18 is no guarantee of not working for Hamas. Moving a group with a high percentage of terrorists embedded in it to infrastructure they want to target in an area with more accessible resources for weapons construction is a non-starter.
I think the best we can hope for is some distant country with the resources to keep the refugee group monitored for terrorist activity agrees to take a few hundred thousand people. Palestinians working in a Chinese state-owned manufacturing facility would be extremely problematic but maybe less bad than the alternatives.
@Duxon@adrian783 The West Bank is up next. The settlers have been displacing the locals there for years and that’s most of the soldiers were on Oct 7th.
that’s why Hamas did this. there are no good options for Israel. hamas knew that such a brutal attack would embarrass the right-wing leadership of israel and bait them into a brutal reaction
they are bombing the shit out of gaza to show their population they are doing something. but they know this bombing does very little. hamas has been preparing for this. they have a complex tunnel system underground. they’ve been stockpiling diesel, water, food, etc. the blockade is simply hurting the civilian population
hamas played israel like a fiddle. well, we’ll see. i think their goal is to expand this into a regional war. hezbollah promised they would join the war should israel launch a ground invasion. israel says it will, but i don’t know if it’s a bluff or not.
Isreal didn’t need to kill and destroy civilian lives for retribution.
As Sherman, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki have shown: War is hell.
Okay but that was a six year war against a comparable nation, at the time the Empire had colonized Korea and half of China so it was pretty sizeable. I think a lot of people have and will continue to argue that the nuclear bombs saved more lives than they ended.
Palestine on the other hand is a small part of the much larger Israel which is completely walled off and resource dependent on Israel including power and water which has been cut for almost a week. Israel have literally not even attempted a Ground Assault and spent the last 5 days doing nothing but Aerial Bombardment. They’re not digging trenches to hold back Hamas in even the wildest of imaginations, they’re just pressing buttons to annihilate massive complexes. Is one jew worth ten Palestinians?
They traded the lives of combatants who have a reasonable expectation of bodily harm or death with civilian lives. The US traded a grueling war for war crimes. (Don’t get me wrong, Japan committed their fair share of atrocities during WW2, but that doesn’t excuse the nukes)
Japan should’ve tried winning😎
Oh, I think they tried…
The Japanese leadership didn’t surrender after the firebombing of Tokyo, they didn’t surrender after the bombs, they surrendered after the Soviets declared war. The Generals didn’t give a fuck about the population, and Operation Meetinghouse caused just as many casualties as an atomic bomb. But what they definitely wanted to avoid at all costs was a Soviet occupation.
That’s fair and about 98% true but it wasn’t just a trade for combatant’s lives since after taking the islands the war was now on the Japanese Mainland in addition to the atrocities happening in the Japanese Colonies on the Asian Mainland and the intent of the Japanese to once again attack the Americas (though incredibly unlikely at that point in the war). My point still stands that comparing the power dynamic of the Nipon Empire and USA to that of Hamas and Israel is ingenuine.
For sure though, USA leadership should have been removed and held accountable for using Nuclear weapons on a densely populated area. Maybe even executed.
Never said they needed, just that it should’ve been expected.
Why do you assume Hamas cares about any of these innocent casualties?
Hamas absolutely loves this shit. This is their wet dream.
This will give them more recruits.
All according to plan for Hamas, they grow stronger every day, because they were put there by Egypt, Saudi, and Iran to sow discord in Palestine. I bet Netanyahu is loving it, too.
Are they, though? What is Israel supposed to do when the militarized terrorists use civilians as human shields? Not respond and get slaughtered by Hamas again?
I’m seriously asking: what strategy do you suggest for Israel? All answers I can think of right now are laughable in the face of the ideology and moral state of Hamas.
guarantee safe passage of women, children, and maybe elderly to west bank at the very least. slow infantry ground war to weed out and forcibly relocate noncombatants.
they didn’t even try.
Being female or younger than 18 is no guarantee of not working for Hamas. Moving a group with a high percentage of terrorists embedded in it to infrastructure they want to target in an area with more accessible resources for weapons construction is a non-starter.
I think the best we can hope for is some distant country with the resources to keep the refugee group monitored for terrorist activity agrees to take a few hundred thousand people. Palestinians working in a Chinese state-owned manufacturing facility would be extremely problematic but maybe less bad than the alternatives.
@Duxon @adrian783 The West Bank is up next. The settlers have been displacing the locals there for years and that’s most of the soldiers were on Oct 7th.
that’s why Hamas did this. there are no good options for Israel. hamas knew that such a brutal attack would embarrass the right-wing leadership of israel and bait them into a brutal reaction
they are bombing the shit out of gaza to show their population they are doing something. but they know this bombing does very little. hamas has been preparing for this. they have a complex tunnel system underground. they’ve been stockpiling diesel, water, food, etc. the blockade is simply hurting the civilian population
hamas played israel like a fiddle. well, we’ll see. i think their goal is to expand this into a regional war. hezbollah promised they would join the war should israel launch a ground invasion. israel says it will, but i don’t know if it’s a bluff or not.