Finland: sees Ukraine getting invaded over NATO encroaching.
Also Finland: I want some of that too!
This is also excluding the many, many people that protested for Finland not to join NATO. But of course this decision, which breaks with their tradition of neutrality, is applauded by the bourgeois media.
The status quo has worked for 80 years. What does this achieve except make a clearly imperialist organisation stronger, create more tension against Russia and put Finns in danger?
When the war in Ukraine is over Finns that supported this will wonder what the fuck they were thinking.
Yes the status quo has worked fine until Russia decided to invade their neighboring countries.
You sound exactly like those people that advocated for appeasement with Nazi Germany: let Hitler have a bit of the neighboring countries, he will surely settle down afterwards /s
Finland doing their old game of supporting nazi regimes I see
Feels refreshing to see news about Finland pop up that are not about Marin’s partying scandal. There’s a reason I haven’t read domestic news actively for at least few weeks.
A story about a party is a great way to distract people from real problems Finland faces like food and energy shortages.
Clickbait articles == $$, sadly.
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Meanwhile in the real world https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/fortum-says-rising-costs-nordic-power-trading-are-worrying-2022-08-25/
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I just love how myopic you are. Why do you think prices are going up, and last I checked Finland wasn’t self sufficient in terms of food, and in fact heavily relies on imports. Imagine thinking that Finland will be spared food and energy shortages the rest of Europe is suffering. You don’t live in a bubble little buddy.
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Oh he admits there will be shortages, but the same experts that created the current crisis assure him that everything will be fine. One has to have an exceptionally smooth brain to believe that. Living in Finland, you’ll soon get to understand the reality of the situation when winter comes in a few months.
Really, it’s so popular in Finland? Is it so surprising to people that she is a human, and like every human she is having a party from time to time?
The topic dominated many headlines, be it tabloids or websites.
Is it so surprising to people that she is a human, and like every human she is having a party from time to time?
Yes! The party however appeared to be more raunchy and there were rumors about drugs being used. Marin even had to do a drug test that was negative.
You can say about Boris Jonson what you want, but at least he didnt allow any videos leak from his illegal parties. Seems like Finnish government is not capable of such basic PR work.
Not sure if your joking or not but… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-3m8nn-QxE8
Why do you say that party [edit: involving Sanna Marin, not Boris Johnson] was illegal?
Didnt Johnsons parties violate lockdown rules?
I mean a recent party with Sanna Marin.
This is a good thing™, and it’s nice to see an article that’s not about her social life.
Says the prime minister of the country who allied with Nazi Germany in WW2.
WHATABAUT!
It’s not just the whataboutism. It’s the deliberate mischaracterization of Finnish involvement in WW2. But the fact that Finland did fight alongside Nazi Germany against the USSR, even if for very different objectives, is enough to form an effective propaganda bludgeon.
Actually it was a surprise for me this year to learn finland was not part of NATO. I thought it was kind of badass of them, specially considering the history with the winter war. But I also heard they cooperated a lot with them, so maybe it was bound to happen anyway.
Edit: I’m confused… who did I offend here and why?
The past 30 or so years has been slow movement towards NATO so that if shit ever hit the fan, Finland could join pretty much immediately. This in conjuction with building self defense capabilities that would make an invasion - specifically by the Russian army - incredibly expensive.
In the end, the decisions to not join NATO and then to join were both done on national security grounds, and not for some sort of ideological stance. Finland’s just shedding the remaining bits of finlandization now.
So far Finland was someyhing like a neutral intermediary between Russia and NATO. It was pretty good for them, diplomats often met there for negotiations, and they could trade with both sides. Now they are throwing all that away in favor of confrontation.
In favor of security.
How can there be security by joining an organization which openly treats Russia as an enemy? Finland and Russia share a border, so there will be more danger of conflict.
How
Strongest military alliance on the planet.
Russia as an enemy
Starting a land war in Europe is going to make Europe treat you like a threat.
more danger of conflict
See Ukraine.
Europe (and by extension our US masters) have been goading Russia into war for 8 years. Then we made a shocked Pikachu face, launched our “in case of war with Russia” propaganda machine (all the silly stuff Russia has been banned from at the start of the war), and now we get to pretend we still have the moral high ground because at least our wars are not in Europe 😎
Get some perspective; war with Russia has been implanted in the media since 2014 and before. In fact, it was a concern as far back as 1945 of all things, when NATO was founded to “counter” an invasion of Europe by the USSR (Which the USSR was never interested in). When that failed, NATO turned to funding fascist paramilitaries which they saved after WW2 to commit acts of terrorism and lower support for communism in Europe.
Strongest military alliance on the planet.
Except the opposite has been shown to be the case now that this alliance has been put to test https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare/
Starting a land war in Europe is going to make Europe treat you like a threat.
Then please explain NATO invasion of Yugoslavia to us.
See Ukraine.
The same Ukraine that’s been trained by NATO to “NATO standard”, supplied by NATO, and all but integrated into NATO already?
Ukraine had an army that was by far the biggest and most experienced, after 8 years of civil war, in Europe. No other NATO country aside from US even comes close. This army is currently losing to a force that Russia deployed which accounts for a small part of Russia’s overall military strength.
The lesson from Ukraine is pretty clearly that it’s a very bad idea for NATO to continue escalating tensions with Russia.
Couldn’t have said better 👍👍
The “strongest military alliance on the planet” lost a war against some guys with AKs and IEDs in Afghanistan exactly one year ago. NATO would be a joke by now if it werent for nuclear weapons.
I assume your second paragraph refers to the United States’ regime change and inatigation of civil war that happened in 2014. Sadly I still fail to see Europe treating the U.S l. as the threat it is. Instead we are supposed to freeze and starve for Ukrainian fascists.
everyday Ukrainians are dying, regular people like you and me. when you say ‘ukrainian fascists’ I find it really offensive. The russian rockets don’t ask about the political ideology before they blow up innocent civilians.
Concern trolling. Russia is totally open to humanitarian corridors and opened one in Mariupol. The Azov fascists however fired at anyone that tried to leave.
Zelensky, right after the war started, prevented all men of fighting age from leaving the country just in case they might conscript them.
Ukraine made it illegal just recently to accept food from Russia in occupied areas. If you do, you will be considered a collaborator and sentenced to 15 years in prison.
They used to tie people up to lampposts in Kiev and other cities (a form of mob justice for “crimes” such as “stealing”, allegedly) and leave them here while air raids sirens would presumably go off. They probably still do it, I just haven’t seen anything new about it.
In fact Ukraine did not activate the air raid sirens in time while the siege of Kiev was going on, despite receiving warnings from Russia that they would strike. People could not get to shelters in time because the siren would ring just several minutes before the missile struck.
Yes Russia is killing civilians. I’m not gonna pretend war leaves civilians unharmed. But Ukraine is making the situation worse for their own people. Ukraine is using its civilian population as atrocity propaganda. If you want something to be appalled that, this is it.
Neither do Ukrainian artillery shells or anti person mines which are landing on Donetsk, killing civilians. By fascists Im not refering to civilians, but to the soldiers who operate these weapons, and the ones who command them.
Winter War can tell you something.
Too beautiful to be “peoples” leader actually. :)
