Well, the closest station outside of DC, Arlington VA according to Google, is about 15$(with 83+ for a pet and 10-20$ per luggage/bike fees)…
So I’d say maybe a few stations further than the closest station to DC.
Seems like it’s about 50cents a mile for a customer on Amtrak after a little more Googling, while it’s an average of 58cents(which includes registration/insurance/repairs/etc) a mile for a car. So ultimately, you might save a little money with the Amtrak, but it’s not a big money saver.
It varies a huge amount. You can get DC to NYC tickets for under $50 if you buy at the last second. Most trains don’t fill up and they basically give away the remaining seats with like 8 hours to go.
Also the traveling part is generally tedious, uncomfortable and boring unless you have a super big luxury car. I’d much rather travel by high-speed rail.
I looove taking the train, I can stand up, move around, chat, eat and drink.
I was hanging out in the Cafe car a few weeks ago on a 9 hr trip playing video games on my laptop. Got chatting with some folks, 3 of us one by one broke out our respective liquors and made a party of it.
I was hanging out in the Cafe car a few weeks ago on a 9 hr trip playing video games on my laptop. Got chatting with some folks, 3 of us one by one broke out our respective liquors and made a party of it.
Can’t do that on I-95.
sure you can they just take away your driving license after
Well, they pay a small price for their freedom to travel. It’s everybody else that has to suffer the externalities of their choices.
Let’s tax antisocial behavior, so that these externalities are internalized. Carbon tax, vehicle weight per passenger tax, vehicle volume per passenger tax, etc.
‘Be careful now, you’re starting to sound like a communist.’ they say.
Seriously though, you’re right, we should do all that. Switching over to EVs won’t solve very many problems. Everywhere needs to have fewer vehicles in the road and that’s public transit.
They also call me a communist now because I think a 40 hour work week should put a basic roof (efficiency on your own or maybe a basic 2br with a roomie) over your head no matter what you’re doing.
Turns out the “Red Scare™” will always return whenever capitalism starts fraying at the seams to keep people from exploring even the slightest reforms.
Yep. Whenever I travel I ask around my friend group if anyone is interested and those same people always have a list of excuses as to why they can’t take a week to fuck off in NYC.
I really think alot of it is “I can’t take my car 😭,” cause I’ve gone with them to things all the time on road trips, but as soon as I’m taking a train the excuses roll in.
For me half the reason to take a trip to NYC is getting to ride the one good train route in the US. And all my stoner friends love the train because they can bring their drugs with them.
100%. I’ve cut back on canna lately but coming home a few weeks ago a bunch of us hanging out in the Cafe car ended up breaking out our various liquors we were all bringing home and sharing with each other and whoever else wanted in 😂
It’s not even a freedom to travel… It’s a requirement. You want to live in area where you don’t need need a car? Only a few cities in America make that reality possible. If you want/have to live/work anywhere else… You need a car. That’s not freedom. Also those places where you don’t need a car are very expensive to live in.
Its not a lack of rails and light rails… It’s a lack of local transportation that’s fast and reliable.
People actually use the bus system in Ann Arbor because it runs on time, frequently and is clean. I’m all for a transportation haven but a lot of cities can’t even walk and are trying to run.
Detroits Q Line is a good example of running before you can walk. The bus system is god awful. Late. No shows. Generally unreliable. Then they just slapped a thing on top of it that’s probably even less reliable…
“Small price to pay for the freedom to travel”
-An actual thing that’s been said to me before when I brought up other environmental issues
Nothing says “freedom” like a tool that costs tens of thousands to buy and thousands every year to maintain and use.
Meanwhile I can amtrak to DC for $30 round trip 🤷
From where?
This statement doesn’t make much sense without context.
Well, the closest station outside of DC, Arlington VA according to Google, is about 15$(with 83+ for a pet and 10-20$ per luggage/bike fees)…
So I’d say maybe a few stations further than the closest station to DC.
Seems like it’s about 50cents a mile for a customer on Amtrak after a little more Googling, while it’s an average of 58cents(which includes registration/insurance/repairs/etc) a mile for a car. So ultimately, you might save a little money with the Amtrak, but it’s not a big money saver.
It varies a huge amount. You can get DC to NYC tickets for under $50 if you buy at the last second. Most trains don’t fill up and they basically give away the remaining seats with like 8 hours to go.
I’ll have to remember this 🤔
True, but it’s sort of hard to use that stance as a comparative though. Average 1 way is 168$ from NYC to DC.
Comparing outliers, I’d imagine hitchhikers and train hoppers will end up winning pretty evenly
58cent is IRS estimate which is under estimating the cost inherently due to state bias.
Also, not even accounting for crazy car prices recently
And parking and sitting in traffic
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What costs are you adding for a train…
Asking for a friend
Well, the misc carry on fees is an easy one to point out without creating random scenarios
Sure, but I’m not disclosing my location on Lemmy. 🤷
I’m sure a bit of diddling on their site could give you an idea of how far $X will get you.
Also the traveling part is generally tedious, uncomfortable and boring unless you have a super big luxury car. I’d much rather travel by high-speed rail.
I looove taking the train, I can stand up, move around, chat, eat and drink.
I was hanging out in the Cafe car a few weeks ago on a 9 hr trip playing video games on my laptop. Got chatting with some folks, 3 of us one by one broke out our respective liquors and made a party of it.
Can’t do that on I-95.
sure you can they just take away your driving license after
Only if they catch you!
My friend, allow me to introduce you to the shit show which is the upper level of the 9pm Megabus. I’ve seen people straight up smoking meth.
Our freedom to travel was stolen from us and sold back to us
Well, they pay a small price for their freedom to travel. It’s everybody else that has to suffer the externalities of their choices.
Let’s tax antisocial behavior, so that these externalities are internalized. Carbon tax, vehicle weight per passenger tax, vehicle volume per passenger tax, etc.
‘Be careful now, you’re starting to sound like a communist.’ they say.
Seriously though, you’re right, we should do all that. Switching over to EVs won’t solve very many problems. Everywhere needs to have fewer vehicles in the road and that’s public transit.
Fuck them.
They also call me a communist now because I think a 40 hour work week should put a basic roof (efficiency on your own or maybe a basic 2br with a roomie) over your head no matter what you’re doing.
Turns out the “Red Scare™” will always return whenever capitalism starts fraying at the seams to keep people from exploring even the slightest reforms.
Hell with that, make it more like 20…
my man you go to work and back again what travel
Yep. Whenever I travel I ask around my friend group if anyone is interested and those same people always have a list of excuses as to why they can’t take a week to fuck off in NYC.
I really think alot of it is “I can’t take my car 😭,” cause I’ve gone with them to things all the time on road trips, but as soon as I’m taking a train the excuses roll in.
For me half the reason to take a trip to NYC is getting to ride the one good train route in the US. And all my stoner friends love the train because they can bring their drugs with them.
100%. I’ve cut back on canna lately but coming home a few weeks ago a bunch of us hanging out in the Cafe car ended up breaking out our various liquors we were all bringing home and sharing with each other and whoever else wanted in 😂
It’s not even a freedom to travel… It’s a requirement. You want to live in area where you don’t need need a car? Only a few cities in America make that reality possible. If you want/have to live/work anywhere else… You need a car. That’s not freedom. Also those places where you don’t need a car are very expensive to live in.
Its not a lack of rails and light rails… It’s a lack of local transportation that’s fast and reliable.
People actually use the bus system in Ann Arbor because it runs on time, frequently and is clean. I’m all for a transportation haven but a lot of cities can’t even walk and are trying to run.
Detroits Q Line is a good example of running before you can walk. The bus system is god awful. Late. No shows. Generally unreliable. Then they just slapped a thing on top of it that’s probably even less reliable…
It is in fact a privillege to live a normal life in US without a car…