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I’m sure that you can hardly do worse than Trump, but still. Here’s the famous associated meme :

    • olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml
      202·
      1 year ago

      my guess is that because of twitter screenshots or glenn greenwald, even tho he is a homosexual, he stands for unlimited freedom of speech and even defended a brazilian podcaster that said we need to legalize a nazi party

      anyway, i upvoted so i don’t know

      • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Glenn Greenwald says a lot of cringy libertarian shit but this isn’t one of those instances. It doesn’t make the truth any less true just because who is saying it has dumb, awful opinions on other things.

      • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.mlOP
        51·
        1 year ago

        It’d be weird as an investigative journalist supportive of whistleblowers like him not to be in favor of free speech. He recently talked about Russel Brand, apparently not a leftist anymore as well according to some people.

        People here may disagree, but in an ideal world, fascists or capitalists should be allowed to debate because in these ideal conditions their falseness would be efficiently deconstructed, the public failure of their arguments would serve as a useful reminder for the rest of us.
        In my opinion, the u.s.s.r. would have made a mistake by banning anti-communist parties in this ideal world ; however, in the real world, such foreign agents would have perhaps been too powerful/financed/‘able to corrupt’, the u.s.s.r. already had enough vital threats to survive through in its first decades. If they enabled the conditions for an ~annual debate repeating the demonstration of the errors of capitalism, including with western authors, that would have been beneficial for them(, i’m aware that reality is more difficult, it’s just a thought).

    • libscratcher@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      I will downvote Glenn Greenwald without exception because I consider him to be a fascist. The times when he makes good points are straight out of the fascist playbook of stealing leftist points to redirect people into a fake version of class struggle. In his case, it’s a rather obvious struggle to portray the democrats as “actually worse” in order to get Trump elected without ever explicitly supporting Trump - a perfect mirror image of CPUSA’s “vote against fascism” campaigns.

      I don’t know or care whether Glenn consciously supports Trump in his own mind. Nor do I think it invalidates the good work he did a decade ago. People like him, Nick Brana, Jimmy Dore, and Russell Brand will always claim to support a third party, but what they’re building isn’t a communist party connected to class struggles; its a rebranded Intellectual Dark Web. If you want to see this laid bare, watch Jimmy Dore criticize Cornell West the second he mentions Donald Trump, but as a “progressive”: https://youtu.be/vv9WUBuahsY

      People will interpret this as me saying you have to vote democrat for harm reduction and reflexively downvote, so let me just say I’m a member of a communist party that runs a 3rd party presidential campaign.

      • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        I respect your opinion on this, but i don’t agree. For one thing i think calling Glenn Greenwald a fascist is a stretch. Libertarian yes, right wing on some issues for sure, but fascist, no. The same goes for the likes of Jimmy Dore: i don’t much like any of these people and i don’t think they are in any way our “allies”, but that doesn’t mean we should reflexively reject everything they say even when it’s true. All that does is cede ground to the right wing because it allows them to position themselves as the ones who dare point out the truth about liberals and their hypocrisy which is clear for all to see.

        I also don’t agree with policing whether or not it’s ok to agree with what someone says based on whether or not that helps or hinders Trump getting elected. I think this obsession with Trump and with the results of US elections is misguided and counterproductive. I consider the tendency of the CPUSA to want to help democrats get elected (just so that republicans aren’t) to be wrong and opportunist. I have been around long enough to see that in practice it really doesn’t make much if any difference at all who gets elected. The rich still steal from the poor, the police still murder migrants and minorities, the empire continues to wage wars abroad.

        • 🏳️‍⚧️ 新星 [she/they]@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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          1 year ago

          that doesn’t mean we should reflexively reject everything they say even when it’s true

          I’ll have to agree with this — if someone is parroting leftist points for bad reasons, we should point that out, but that doesn’t make the leftist points themselves illegitimate.

          We should take care to avoid reductio ad Hitlerum — Hitler abstaining from eating meat doesn’t mean veganism is a Nazi take

    • Hazdaz@lemmy.world
      1430·
      1 year ago

      Apparently it’s for misinformation campaigns trying to turn the left against voting in the upcoming election.

      Remember folks, apathy is one of the biggest tools in the GOP’s arsenal. Pretending like a post is coming from some bleeding heart liberal to make it seem like the Democrats are JuSt As BaD as the GOP. These type of posts are here to make it seem as if both parties are the same, all so you decide to sit it out on election day. A low voter turnout only helps the fascists of the Republican Party gain more power.

      • albigu@lemmygrad.ml
        222·
        1 year ago

        coming from some bleeding heart liberal

        Did they just call us libs to our collective faces now?

      • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
        174·
        1 year ago

        Democrats are just as bad and as fascist as the GOP.

        We’re not encouraging anyone to either vote or not vote, we’re just pointing out the truth about the corporate uniparty that rules the US.

        Also, there are such things as third parties, just saying… you don’t have to vote for the blue fascists just because you don’t like the red fascists.

      • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
        1710·
        1 year ago

        The OP tweets directly dispute your claim because they show there’s little material difference between the two parties. Voting for Dems means getting almost exactly the same as voting for the GOP but with crocodile tears. Looks like Dem policy is the bigger tool in the GOP arsenal.

        Also, it doesn’t matter who wins the popular vote as the electoral college will override it if they don’t like the result. Nor does it matter who is voted for in primaries because the party machinery can override it if they don’t like the result.

        It’s okay, though. It’s hard to come to terms with the fact that the US isn’t a democracy. One day your people will be free. Hopefully it doesn’t cost what Dems and the GOP made Iraq, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, the indigenous, African slaves, etc (it’s a long list), pay for their democracy and freedom.

        • HereticalDoughnut@lemmy.world
          713·
          1 year ago

          voting demos means getting almost the exact same as voting for the gop…

          Yeah… no. Stop trying to force some false equivalency. One party may try to fix something and fail because the other party blockades, while the other part (gop) actively makes everything worse and then scapegoats all problems onto minorities. Not the same.

        • glimse@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          It’s okay, though. It’s hard to come to terms with the fact that the US isn’t a democracy. One day your people will be free.

          It’s hard to come to terms with the fact that it’s possible to leave a comment without sounding like an insufferable twat on a high horse. One day you will learn how…

          [Edit] just realized you’re on lemmygrad so maybe not lol