• pigginz@lemmygrad.ml
    7·
    1 year ago

    Prolekult has a video on fascism I watched just a few days ago that I thought made a fairly good case that the USA is not actually fascist. Fascistic in some ways certainly, and with the possibility to become fascist, but still very much just a liberal “democracy”. But don’t underestimate the amount and intensity of violence and horror that can be perpetrated by liberal democracies.

    Of course this was more of a historical materialist analysis. For the purpose of memeing and shitting on libs for whom “thing I don’t like = fascism”, it’s close enough to correct.

      • pigginz@lemmygrad.ml
        2·
        1 year ago

        That’s a good piece. Based on the definition of fascism used in that essay then it does certainly seem quite apparent that the USA is fascist. The Prolekult essay I referred to uses a different definition, based more on economics than ideology. In that sense maybe it wouldn’t be too far off to say that the USA is ideologically fascist, but not (yet) economically fascist? I don’t know.

  • deconstruct@lemm.ee
    524·
    1 year ago

    Is this supposed to be propaganda? Or just a joke? I’m baffled by your point.

    • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.mlM
      22·
      1 year ago

      The US committed a genocide and got away with it, the nazis attempted and failed at it. The concept of lebensraum is just the nazi equivalent of manifest destiny. Hitler says as much that he wants to emulate the US model of settler colonialism, in mein kampf.

      So the only real difference between bourgeois democracy as a form of government, is that its much better at genocide than fascism was.

    • Justice@lemmygrad.ml
      203·
      1 year ago

      Instead of being baffled go read into similarities (and oh boy there’s a lot!) between the third Reich and US empire. A good place to start is the Nuremberg laws compared to Jim Crow laws.

      • deconstruct@lemm.ee
        113·
        1 year ago

        I know all about that stuff. The inspiration for German eugenics laws came from the US, anti-semitism in the US prior to WWI, etc.

        Posting this “meme” without any context then don’t be surprised when noone takes the argument seriously.

        • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
          2·
          1 year ago

          I don’t understand. You say you know the context of US being comparable to Nazis already…so what’s the issue?

          Also worth saying, that barely skims the surface of the similarities between the two…

    • Anarcho-Bolshevik@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      7·
      1 year ago

      It is an informal summary of how one can view the United Sates of America, and the dozens of upvotes validate it as an acceptable interpretation. To put it analytically: the author wants us to call to mind atrocities (criteria) through which we can associate the U.S. (target) with the Third Reich (reference) and thereby motivate ourselves (audience) to think of the U.S. in a more antagonistic way (objective).

      Despite the indisputable influences that the U.S. had on Fascism, and its support for some neofascists, I would not go so far as to qualify the U.S. as neofascist. That said, I don’t see the value in interrupting other lower‐class people whenever we accuse our oppressors of being (neo)fascists; we have valid reasons for resenting and rebelling against them whether our terminology is precise or not.

    • Fal@yiffit.netEnglish
      325·
      1 year ago

      Don’t even try. These people have their own set of brain worms. They want to live under the exact kind of authoritarian regime that the Nazis were, just only if it calls itself communist