• Mudface@lemmy.world
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    Schools should just be one huge faraday cage. Kids have to learn to focus and pay attention.

    And they need to learn the curriculum

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      I mean I’m not that extreme lmao that’s also a safety issue. Kids will be kids, they will not sit quietly all school day and be total lesson sponges lol

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        How much of a safety issue would it really be? Cell phones didn’t really become a thing for my age range until high school. If there was an emergency, there was a landline in the classrooms.

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          Right? Somehow schools survived until at least the 2010s without every kid having a cellphone in them at all times.

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            No kidding. Not to sound like an old fogey but we did really well without them for both “emergencies” and “fact checking”. I can only see them primarily as a distraction.

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            We don’t live in that world anymore.

            Schools got by fine without the Internet until probably the mid-2000s. They got by fine without computers until probably the 90s. You can make that argument about literally anything in a school right now. We live in a society built around smart phones and tablets. We can’t just pretend we don’t.

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                I’m sorry - computers and the Internet are “just tools” but smart phones are not? Do I really need to unpack that?

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                  I already did unpack it: “Smart phones are a distraction for social media 99% of the time.”

                  Nor did I say the word “just”. You’re both ignoring what I did say and inserting your own words. They can be distractions with you know social media. But also back in my day they taught us Word, Excel, programming. You had a class with that. You didn’t need it in your pocket 24/7.

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                    But also back in my day they taught us Word, Excel, programming

                    Well that’s an anecdote which I can easily counter with my own: We all immediately got around any firewalls the school had (which were a joke, you just browsed the right path and basically got around it) and played game and all sorts of nonsense at school.

                    Smartphones are here. Ban them all you want, kids get around it. Build a faraday cage, and your next active shooter gets extra time to do their work as teachers hunt for a landline. The list of cons vastly outweighs the pros. Hell just have a damn basket kids drop their phones in when they come into class. That’s still better than this nonsense.

                    Prohibition culture is generally a bad idea. You can’t tell kids “don’t have sex.” You do proper sex ed. You can’t block all signals out of a school, you create consequences for continued undesired usage and teach kids responsibility. As the original comment said: https://kbin.social/m/memes@lemmy.ml/t/443382/Why-must-we-be-done-this-way#entry-comment-2266000

                    Your line of thinking is what leads to rampant banning and garbage blanket solutions instead of education.

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            Ban pocket calculators because the abacus exists. Lazy kids aren’t learning how to do arithmetic because of them.

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          I don’t think y’all realize that not a single staff member or administrator or any employee of the school would be able to use a phone either (other than landlines I guess?). Schools aren’t just full of students lol

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            other than landlines I guess?

            You mean that thing I specifically mentioned? Yes, I realize that. Would it be inconvenient? Yes, it absolutely would. Would it suck to work in that environment? Again, yes it would. If I’m just thinking about safety, I’m not sure it’s that much more unsafe.

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        No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening. Phones and the current state of social media intake doesn’t help.

        That said, a faraday cage is absolutely too far, but they don’t need their phones when they should be focusing on the course.

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          No, but the attention span kids have these days seem to be shortening.

          I hear this a lot but have yet to see evidence/sources from anyone. It’s just “look around you.” I don’t find it particularly compelling. I didn’t exactly sit quietly as a kid myself.

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              That is purely a theory by one (yes qualified) person on one blog post without a single study behind it. I could easily argue that kids generally have short attention spans but social media just allows them to indulge in it more, and they will of course prioritize attention to that over other things. That is not the same as “it shortens their attention spans.” You need at least one study here - literally anything - linking social media and decreasing one’s attention span. The blog is focusing on how to reach kids and has one throw away non-cited line about social media shortening attention spans.

              I should also point out that I also did a cursory Google search before writing the previous comment, and that was the only post I saw as well. The reason you selected it is because there was no other decent hit when you searched I imagine.

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        Of course not, but I think we should at least act as if they should.

        Knowing it’s not possible, though.

        My kids are in 5th, 3rd and 1st grade. I wouldn’t want them on their phones during class as they grow up.

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      Schools should be a battle royale, leave them on an island to battle and the last kid standing gets to go home.

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        The thing about smartphones and the internet in general is that there is a lot of crap out there. Sure kids may read more, but what they read matters. If they’re reading websites that deny the Holocaust or give bogus health advice like bleach curing autism or things like that, that’s not good. Without education, how are they going to know what they read on their phone is garbage?

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      I will learn the curriculum when the curriculum stops being wrong and occasionally straight up propaganda

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        I have very little faith the person you’re responding to even acknowledges the existence of ADHD .

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          I’m not them, but while ADHD is a problem, social media and the dopamine quick-hit style that internet content has taken has had a noted effect in reducing attention spans.

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          I mean, I’m doing quite well having gone though school without smart devices and 100% would have never gotten straight As if I had one when I was a kid. And I’m every type of ADHD you can be diagnosed as…

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            It’s 2023. Whether we want them or not they’re here. They in the workplace, they’re in our classrooms, they’re at home, they’re everywhere. Any attempt to truly prohibit smart devices is not as simple as it sounds and presents other challenges in the modern era.

            Prohibition culture does not work for most things. If we want kids to stop using phones in class, we can take a more nuanced approach with taking it away as a blunt measure to occasionally deploy.