Nitpick: Yoko Ono is John Lennon’s widow, not former wife (which would imply that they divorced).
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Oh dang , you can edit titles on Lemmy?!
Yes
Isn’t that open to abuse somewhat?
Nah not more than editing comments, and I’d say its worth it cause the plethora of typos in titles
(if you really care you can loom at the logs for the original title too)
I’ve never understood why there isn’t a “view edits” button.
There is on some clients I believe
There is on the website. If you are on a mobile you might not.
That feels like it would be very open to abuse: OP can edit the post later to read:
“Upvote and comment to show your respect for the Proud Boys who are staying strong! The government has become our Yoko Ono!”
Then readers will all wonder if this is new code talk and be surprised by the votes and engagement.
It’s actually even worse:You know, I don’t want to give anybody any ideas
I can’t believe I missed your presumably evil suggestion by only 18 minutes
(Although I can guess at some possible examples)
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Probably, but you can also view all edits. Lemmy is very open to history of files.
How? I’ve tried looking on the website but couldn’t figure it out (I’m a bit tech illiterate tbf)
I know I’ve looked at it before. But now I can’t find it either. Maybe it was changed?
Because Yoko Ono is a cunt. And I hate that word but completely describes her.
Yes I know John was very emotionally, mentally, and physically abusive to her.
Australians wouldn’t agree with you on your stance on Yoko. She’s too bad of a person.
From what I’ve seen I envy Australians on their creative uses of that word.
But it’s seems as if it’s usually not really a derogatory term there.
It’s both. The way the first commenter used it was unambiguously “they’re a fucking shit person”. There has to be a qualifier for it to be positive.
Depends on how it’s said and any adjectives.
“He’s a good cunt”
Vs. She’s a right cunt
John Lennon was abusive to his first wife, not Yoko.
I mean, if you’re going to shoot someone five times, surely you have a bullet to spare.
I mean, I don’t usually blame the victim, especially not in cases of domestic violence… but… she IS Yoko Ono
Please don’t encourage violence. DA is not a joke. It’s not funny.nor is it retribution. If you believe this please get some anger management in your life.
Yes I know John was very emotionally, mentally, and physically abusive to her.
Then you know wrong, because he wasn’t.
I don’t know much about their family history. What did Yoko Ono do that warranted the domestic abuse?
Edit: Yeesh don’t know why people are getting angry over a genuine question. I don’t know much about celebrities and just asking why people here feel that her abuse was justified.
What did Yoko Ono do that warranted the domestic abuse?
Nothing. Nobody “deserves” domestic abuse, if you feel like you need to hit your spouse out of anger it’s probably best to just exit the relationship.
I apologize that this may not be a good answer. I don’t know Yoko Ono and don’t know much about her, but nobody deserves domestic violence.
I think people are misunderstanding my question. See: https://lemmy.world/comment/3216636
Why don’t you give us some examples of things that would warrant domestic abuse and we’ll try to find out if Yoko did them.
Nothing warrants domestic abuse because two wrongs don’t make one right. I’m asking why people here feel otherwise.
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Is there anything Yoko can’t ruin?
To be fair, John himself was also a colossal piece of shit to Julian.
Paul McCartney wrote Hey Jude originally as a song to Julian to comfort him from John’s abuse and affair with Yoko. Paul was more of a dad to Julian than John was.
Julian only had to buy these things at auction because John intentionally left him out of his will.
If I remember correctly (I don’t want to look it up right now), John was physically abusive to one of his wives as well (Cynthia?).
Also, imagine being Julian and seeing your dad go on about being a family man in magazines and doting on his new son… when your dad essentially hates you. You’d see all the pictures in magazines, too. Covers of albums. It’s gross.
John and Yoko were kind of monsters in a lot of ways, I lost a lot of respect for John Lennon when I found out about that stuff.
I lost all of my respect for him. I still love the music, but the person behind it was a scum bag.
If I remember correctly (I don’t want to look it up right now), John was physically abusive to one of his wives as well (Cynthia?).
Hell, he sang about it.
Which song?
…I used to be cruel to my woman and beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved…
I’m assuming it’s that one. I’m not a Beatles historian so maybe I’ve missed the mark. But hey, gotta admit it’s getting better
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My grandma loves this song, she fell down the stairs and she started singing this
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The comments under that one were gold too: “You can use it as a home alarm system” lol. There was another comment on a different video that went
I love Yoko’s voice. I also love fingernails on blackboard, squealing brakes on a train, smoke detectors on low battery, and the tortured screams of demons during a major exorcism.
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I hope that’s the Bill Burr version.
As much as I haven’t found a single thing of hers I can stand to listen she’s actually influenced a fair amount of amazing bands and singers, but I suppose sometimes it takes someone making an idiot of themselves to inspire others. All I know is for some reason I have her to thank for some influencing great bands.
“Wow that sounds terrible, I can do better than that”
Can you say what bands she influenced and how?
I believe she had an impact on the Beatles.
Apparently Sonic Youth and Yo La Tenga.
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I have a hunch that they were being facetious.
Oh damn, I was actually curious lol
Seriously, she might have. Back in the 60s she was into the extreme ends of performance art/counterculture (it would all be considered mild today) but I have no doubt she has influenced artists like Velvet Underground and Laurie Anderson and even Warhol: they were all part of the New York art scene and they all played off each other, even when their “art” was of different genres.
But there’s another factor involved, and I’m not being facetious: part of making art is the deliberate and very difficult act of ceasing to self-censor, to not silence your creativity with judgement, to not worry about how good something you produce is until it’s out of you and complete. I think in that regard Yoko Ono has something to offer every vocalist of ALL skill levels, including my chihuahua.
You have the right idea. To most people a lot of the stuff she paved way for and influenced in some way or the other, directly or indirectly in more experimental music scenes, probably still sounds awful. And it’s not like this cult of personality thing people tend to have with hit and hip bands like The Beatles, but more about the whole scene and movement. She was involved with a lot of cool people back in the day - hell she was involved with Fluxus and if she didn’t do anything else at all that’s a big enough of a merit in it’s own right.
The Japanese noise scene would definitely not be the same, Yamataka Eye and his work with Hanatarash, pre-‘Super æ’ Boredoms, Naked City, is vocally very similar. Yoko is just as much proto-noise/japanoise as Black Sabbath is proto-metal.
As lowly as Diamanda Galás speaks of her (Galás says that she can’t sing, which is true, but it really is beside the point), I’d be hard pressed to believe she wasn’t at least indirectly paving the way for her work. Hell they both draw from free jazz and both collaborated with Ornette Coleman.
Members of Sonic Youth have said she has influenced them, Thruston even did a track for ‘Rising Mixes’ (a la Ono’s ‘Rising’ album) that featured, and Kim has been even more vocal about her. On the same album you can find Tricky (Massive Attack) and Ween as well. Ween has talked about her on at least one occasion. You can find quotes from Mike Watt of Minutemen and fIREHOSE talk very highly of her. Iggy Pop is apparently also a fan, which doesn’t really surprise me. Björk?
And then finally for one very much direct and clearl influence: Dagmar Krause of Art Bears. There are times she sounds a little too similar, but to as much it does with Yamataka Eye and Diamanda Galás, they did it better. It’s not like she’s single-handedly made bands like Sonic Youth form their sound or anything. Influence can be more than just bands going “hey that sounds cool, let’s do that, but like, in our own way”.
Velvet Underground and Laurie Anderson I’d fathom as well and you put some of my thoughts (and many of these people’s thoughts) nicely into words with that second paragraph. Especially considering the work of groups like Fluxus, among others.
I’m trying to be as coherent as possible I haven’t slept in a couple of days.
Everyone do yourself a favor and watch this with CC on
Make sure to watch with subtitles
Those subtitles make it a little bit better at least…
I mean, maybe if she sing the notes in the correct order, something that looks like a song could arise from that.
Not clicking the link but am reporting it cause I know it’s bad 😂
Okay, what the hell was that? lol
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How shitty her reputation is?
I think she’s scummy AF for this stuff, but she didn’t break up The Beatles. People who say that have no idea what they’re talking about.
Not saying you were saying that (though it seems heavily implied).
John broke up the Beatles. He’s the one who chose to put his relationship above his band. That’s his prerogative though, it’s his life.
They were all kind of splitting apart already, and John was just the first one to take a concrete step in ending it by bringing Yoko to practices and recording sessions.
If it wasn’t Yoko, it would have been some other woman. She was just used by John as a tool to get the process started. I’m not saying their love wasn’t real, but hey two birds with one stone.
Who are the Beatles?
There’s a whole lot of fucked up with everyone involved. I have experiance with a family with a dead famous dude and there’s fucked up shit going on there too. Apperently, it’s quite common.
It’s common in non celebrity families as well. When someone dies it’s like everyone decides to be as shitty as possible to the ones who were closest to the deceased.
When my mom died her family broke into my house and took everything. My dad was left with nothing to remember her by. It was horrible. These were the same people who refused to talk to her for months prior to her death. Then they had the audacity to blame my father and I for her death. Like motherfuckers if you would have answered her calls at least once you’d know she was in severe physical pain when she died. It had nothing to do with us.
It’s not talked about a lot, but neuropathy kills all the time.
Fuck dude, I’m sorry for your loss and the shitty aftermath you had to deal with when you were grieving. I hope you and your father have found peace and happiness and that you don’t have contact with those vultures at all anymore.
They don’t even have to be dead yet for this shit to happen.
We have a relative in a home in serious cognitive decline. We kept their stuff with his sibling. Friends are asking ‘what about the valuable X/Y he had’, ‘does he have much money in the bank?’ etc. Parasites seem to come out of the woodwork at these times. It’s disgraceful.
Yeah, the older I get, I’m kinda glad that nobody in my family has much.
When my mom’s mom passed, she left everything to my mom (and like a dollar each to her two sisters), but honestly, it wasn’t much at all. A mess of debt and paperwork to sort out and a house in terrible shape. Her sisters were hurt at first but realized they weren’t missing out, and they still have a decent relationship, especially after my mom told them that she was willing to talk about sharing/giving them anything they wanted.
Now, years later, my parents (and my sister and I, and with help from pros) totally gutted and renovated the house and my parents just sold it earlier this year. My mom has said repeatedly that she wants to give her sisters as well as my sister and I some of the money from the house, but honestly I don’t really care about the money at all. If I get anything I’ll probably save it toward a down payment on a house of my own someday, but if I never see a dime, it’s no big deal.
On the other side, when my dad’s dad passed, he was similarly laid back about things, but his sister got really bold and rude about claiming lots and lots of stuff, and it only got worse when my grandma moved out of her house into assisted living.
Now that house is almost ready to sell as well, and she’s already asking about her share (of the house my parents did everything with). She’s even hoarded the lions share of housewares, appliances, etc. too, which are sitting in boxes in her storage unit, even as my sister and I both were buying those same things over the past several years as we established our own homes.
Really, the only things I have from the house are two pieces of furniture (which my aunt wanted but wouldn’t fit in her storage unit), one small set of glass dishes, some mixing bowls, and my grandpap’s old favorite coffee mug. I think of him every time I use it, and that’s all that really matters to me.
Nah it’s just people, doesn’t matter if they’re famous. I used to work in a law office and the family and estate cases were the absolute worst. Some people just turn into vile cretins when someone dies. Give me a good old criminal case any day over that nonsense.
Out of curiosity, how enforceable is a “if anyone contests this will legally, their portion becomes 0 and what would have been theirs is divided up among the others who haven’t contested it” clause?
I’d have to look it up, ianal but I don’t think that’s a thing where I live. I personally have not seen any weird punishment like that for contesting a will.
Fame is not healthy for humans. It makes them do weird, fucked up shit.
Now add former heroin addicts to the equation.
Wait, who was hooked on smack? Please say it was Yoko.
John and Yoko. They quit when their son was born.
Wild. I never knew John rode the horse. That they were able to clean up for their kid is fairy admirable. I assume that means they dabbled more than they went full out? Cause I’m fascinated by heroin addiction and what it does to people in a sort of morbid way (listened to a lot of music by heroin addicts over the years).
Check into John’s “lost years” Yoko kicked him out and he went on a years long bender with Harry Neilsen among others.
Harry Neilsen
A friend recently made me aware of this artist and his relation to the Beatles. That he was a smack head with Lennon wasn’t mentioned. Wild. Thanks.
He wasn’t a “smack head” with Lennon, Lennon was on heroin and quit it many years before that.
It was alcohol and coke Neilsson and Lennon did. Lots and lots of it.
Hi, former heroin addict here. AMA!
Wow, yes, please!
If you wanna transfer these to a dedicated AMA thread (if you do, please reply with a link), please feel free.
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How did you get there? I met someone for whom heroin was the first drug they tried. Hadn’t even smoked pot. Did you have a gateway drug or dive right in? If gateway, how did that progress?
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How long did you use? How did it affect your ability to participate in society? How did it affect your relationships with friends and family?
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What caused you to turn things around and what was that experience like? How long did it take? How many attempts were necessary?
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What do you want to say about is that I haven’t asked?
Gonna take me a bit but I’ll write up as good of a response as I can. I got clean in 2014 and my life is a zillion times better.
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He wrote Cold Turkey to describe his own experiences.
Agreed. I think you have to be a certain kind of narcissistic/attention-seeking to be famous at all and I think that humans in general are greedy. Which all translates to, celebrities are likely more fucked up than we think and their family dynamics probably match.
My dad married just such a vindictive pos during his final years. It’s fun having to deal with her as we process his trust. None of us can understand how he didn’t see her for who she really is.
It’s possible he did and just cared more about how it affected him than how it affected his family.
I’ll be dealing with my dad’s wife in the same way inside of 15 years, and it’s not because he can’t see how she is. He just likes her money more than he likes his own family, I guess.
That’s fucked up. Mine was in the opposite direction. She wanted his money. The mask fell off the moment he died.
Must’ve done a great job of keeping his balls empty and stomach full. JK
Sorry for your loss.
Reason #4368 why she made the world an objectively worse place to live.
The world is worse to live on because some rich kid had to buy back old letters from his dad?
Actually, yes. Only by a tiny tiny bit, true. But it is a worse place for it. Do you think that kid, who did not choose who his dad was or who his dad chose to marry after divorcing his mom, would be happier if he could have had his only letters from his dead father while he was grieving instead of waiting until he could both build up the money and negotiate a price with his step mom? If that one kid would have been happier, then the world would have been a better place, even if only by a tiny tiny bit.
The letters were written to him, why should he have to pay for what was obviously his?
Dude should have filed a police report for stolen property, as they were clearly addressed to him. I bet she would have handed them over quickly when questions started being asked.
Doubt it. Probably would have burned them so there would be no proof she ever had them.
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"The most ironic thing is with the settlement that I did receive [20 million pounds from his father’s estate since John only gave him 100K in his will], is that I’ve been buying his stuff back with that, so, I’m buying his stuff back with his money, which is absolutely insane.”
had to
Oh? Was his life endanger without them? Someone had a gun to his head?
No?
Sounds like a rich kid just wanted a price of daddies history.
Wow, a heartless online moron who has no idea about this story had to add his two cent rage bait comment online and couldn’t have been more incorrect… if you’re gonna troll, at least be good at it…
