This is an interview with Julian Lennon from March 18th 1999 with Dini Petty. He speaks of his new album, his TRUE feelings of Yoko Ono, Sean Lennon, Paul M...
To be fair, John himself was also a colossal piece of shit to Julian.
Paul McCartney wrote Hey Jude originally as a song to Julian to comfort him from John’s abuse and affair with Yoko. Paul was more of a dad to Julian than John was.
Julian only had to buy these things at auction because John intentionally left him out of his will.
If I remember correctly (I don’t want to look it up right now), John was physically abusive to one of his wives as well (Cynthia?).
Also, imagine being Julian and seeing your dad go on about being a family man in magazines and doting on his new son… when your dad essentially hates you. You’d see all the pictures in magazines, too. Covers of albums. It’s gross.
John and Yoko were kind of monsters in a lot of ways, I lost a lot of respect for John Lennon when I found out about that stuff.
The comments under that one were gold too: “You can use it as a home alarm system” lol. There was another comment on a different video that went
I love Yoko’s voice. I also love fingernails on blackboard, squealing brakes on a train, smoke detectors on low battery, and the tortured screams of demons during a major exorcism.
As much as I haven’t found a single thing of hers I can stand to listen she’s actually influenced a fair amount of amazing bands and singers, but I suppose sometimes it takes someone making an idiot of themselves to inspire others. All I know is for some reason I have her to thank for some influencing great bands.
Seriously, she might have. Back in the 60s she was into the extreme ends of performance art/counterculture (it would all be considered mild today) but I have no doubt she has influenced artists like Velvet Underground and Laurie Anderson and even Warhol: they were all part of the New York art scene and they all played off each other, even when their “art” was of different genres.
But there’s another factor involved, and I’m not being facetious: part of making art is the deliberate and very difficult act of ceasing to self-censor, to not silence your creativity with judgement, to not worry about how good something you produce is until it’s out of you and complete. I think in that regard Yoko Ono has something to offer every vocalist of ALL skill levels, including my chihuahua.
You have the right idea. To most people a lot of the stuff she paved way for and influenced in some way or the other, directly or indirectly in more experimental music scenes, probably still sounds awful. And it’s not like this cult of personality thing people tend to have with hit and hip bands like The Beatles, but more about the whole scene and movement. She was involved with a lot of cool people back in the day - hell she was involved with Fluxus and if she didn’t do anything else at all that’s a big enough of a merit in it’s own right.
The Japanese noise scene would definitely not be the same, Yamataka Eye and his work with Hanatarash, pre-‘Super æ’ Boredoms, Naked City, is vocally very similar. Yoko is just as much proto-noise/japanoise as Black Sabbath is proto-metal.
As lowly as Diamanda Galás speaks of her (Galás says that she can’t sing, which is true, but it really is beside the point), I’d be hard pressed to believe she wasn’t at least indirectly paving the way for her work. Hell they both draw from free jazz and both collaborated with Ornette Coleman.
Members of Sonic Youth have said she has influenced them, Thruston even did a track for ‘Rising Mixes’ (a la Ono’s ‘Rising’ album) that featured, and Kim has been even more vocal about her. On the same album you can find Tricky (Massive Attack) and Ween as well. Ween has talked about her on at least one occasion. You can find quotes from Mike Watt of Minutemen and fIREHOSE talk very highly of her. Iggy Pop is apparently also a fan, which doesn’t really surprise me. Björk?
And then finally for one very much direct and clearl influence: Dagmar Krause of Art Bears. There are times she sounds a little too similar, but to as much it does with Yamataka Eye and Diamanda Galás, they did it better. It’s not like she’s single-handedly made bands like Sonic Youth form their sound or anything. Influence can be more than just bands going “hey that sounds cool, let’s do that, but like, in our own way”.
Velvet Underground and Laurie Anderson I’d fathom as well and you put some of my thoughts (and many of these people’s thoughts) nicely into words with that second paragraph. Especially considering the work of groups like Fluxus, among others.
I’m trying to be as coherent as possible I haven’t slept in a couple of days.
You’re coherent as hell, I know exactly what you’re trying to say. I’m not a New Yorker but I am old and very much an art lover, so I remember a lot of the names you just threw. Though I wasn’t a fan of pretty much anything she was involved with, her influence is inescapable and has a much farther reach than just pop music.
And maybe I’m remembering incorrectly, but while she wasn’t the most generous of patrons that ever lived, she did throw some of that ex-Beatle cash into the art scene from time to time as well, and was involved in many a fundraiser, maybe still is. That may not make a whole lot of difference in terms of changing a band from Sound A to Sound B, but over time, quietly, she really has changed the art world.
You took people and events I barely remembered and fleshed it out into actual facts very handily. Thank you for taking the time, and I hope by the time you’re reading this you’ve gotten some sleep.
They were all kind of splitting apart already, and John was just the first one to take a concrete step in ending it by bringing Yoko to practices and recording sessions.
If it wasn’t Yoko, it would have been some other woman. She was just used by John as a tool to get the process started. I’m not saying their love wasn’t real, but hey two birds with one stone.
Is there anything Yoko can’t ruin?
To be fair, John himself was also a colossal piece of shit to Julian.
Paul McCartney wrote Hey Jude originally as a song to Julian to comfort him from John’s abuse and affair with Yoko. Paul was more of a dad to Julian than John was.
Julian only had to buy these things at auction because John intentionally left him out of his will.
If I remember correctly (I don’t want to look it up right now), John was physically abusive to one of his wives as well (Cynthia?).
Also, imagine being Julian and seeing your dad go on about being a family man in magazines and doting on his new son… when your dad essentially hates you. You’d see all the pictures in magazines, too. Covers of albums. It’s gross.
John and Yoko were kind of monsters in a lot of ways, I lost a lot of respect for John Lennon when I found out about that stuff.
I lost all of my respect for him. I still love the music, but the person behind it was a scum bag.
Hell, he sang about it.
Which song?
…I used to be cruel to my woman and beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved…
I’m assuming it’s that one. I’m not a Beatles historian so maybe I’ve missed the mark. But hey, gotta admit it’s getting better
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My grandma loves this song, she fell down the stairs and she started singing this
lol at comment
The comments under that one were gold too: “You can use it as a home alarm system” lol. There was another comment on a different video that went
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I hope that’s the Bill Burr version.
As much as I haven’t found a single thing of hers I can stand to listen she’s actually influenced a fair amount of amazing bands and singers, but I suppose sometimes it takes someone making an idiot of themselves to inspire others. All I know is for some reason I have her to thank for some influencing great bands.
“Wow that sounds terrible, I can do better than that”
Can you say what bands she influenced and how?
I believe she had an impact on the Beatles.
Apparently Sonic Youth and Yo La Tenga.
The B Sharps
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I have a hunch that they were being facetious.
Oh damn, I was actually curious lol
Seriously, she might have. Back in the 60s she was into the extreme ends of performance art/counterculture (it would all be considered mild today) but I have no doubt she has influenced artists like Velvet Underground and Laurie Anderson and even Warhol: they were all part of the New York art scene and they all played off each other, even when their “art” was of different genres.
But there’s another factor involved, and I’m not being facetious: part of making art is the deliberate and very difficult act of ceasing to self-censor, to not silence your creativity with judgement, to not worry about how good something you produce is until it’s out of you and complete. I think in that regard Yoko Ono has something to offer every vocalist of ALL skill levels, including my chihuahua.
You have the right idea. To most people a lot of the stuff she paved way for and influenced in some way or the other, directly or indirectly in more experimental music scenes, probably still sounds awful. And it’s not like this cult of personality thing people tend to have with hit and hip bands like The Beatles, but more about the whole scene and movement. She was involved with a lot of cool people back in the day - hell she was involved with Fluxus and if she didn’t do anything else at all that’s a big enough of a merit in it’s own right.
The Japanese noise scene would definitely not be the same, Yamataka Eye and his work with Hanatarash, pre-‘Super æ’ Boredoms, Naked City, is vocally very similar. Yoko is just as much proto-noise/japanoise as Black Sabbath is proto-metal.
As lowly as Diamanda Galás speaks of her (Galás says that she can’t sing, which is true, but it really is beside the point), I’d be hard pressed to believe she wasn’t at least indirectly paving the way for her work. Hell they both draw from free jazz and both collaborated with Ornette Coleman.
Members of Sonic Youth have said she has influenced them, Thruston even did a track for ‘Rising Mixes’ (a la Ono’s ‘Rising’ album) that featured, and Kim has been even more vocal about her. On the same album you can find Tricky (Massive Attack) and Ween as well. Ween has talked about her on at least one occasion. You can find quotes from Mike Watt of Minutemen and fIREHOSE talk very highly of her. Iggy Pop is apparently also a fan, which doesn’t really surprise me. Björk?
And then finally for one very much direct and clearl influence: Dagmar Krause of Art Bears. There are times she sounds a little too similar, but to as much it does with Yamataka Eye and Diamanda Galás, they did it better. It’s not like she’s single-handedly made bands like Sonic Youth form their sound or anything. Influence can be more than just bands going “hey that sounds cool, let’s do that, but like, in our own way”.
Velvet Underground and Laurie Anderson I’d fathom as well and you put some of my thoughts (and many of these people’s thoughts) nicely into words with that second paragraph. Especially considering the work of groups like Fluxus, among others.
I’m trying to be as coherent as possible I haven’t slept in a couple of days.
You’re coherent as hell, I know exactly what you’re trying to say. I’m not a New Yorker but I am old and very much an art lover, so I remember a lot of the names you just threw. Though I wasn’t a fan of pretty much anything she was involved with, her influence is inescapable and has a much farther reach than just pop music.
And maybe I’m remembering incorrectly, but while she wasn’t the most generous of patrons that ever lived, she did throw some of that ex-Beatle cash into the art scene from time to time as well, and was involved in many a fundraiser, maybe still is. That may not make a whole lot of difference in terms of changing a band from Sound A to Sound B, but over time, quietly, she really has changed the art world.
You took people and events I barely remembered and fleshed it out into actual facts very handily. Thank you for taking the time, and I hope by the time you’re reading this you’ve gotten some sleep.
Everyone do yourself a favor and watch this with CC on
Make sure to watch with subtitles
I mean, maybe if she sing the notes in the correct order, something that looks like a song could arise from that.
Those subtitles make it a little bit better at least…
Not clicking the link but am reporting it cause I know it’s bad 😂
Okay, what the hell was that? lol
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How shitty her reputation is?
I think she’s scummy AF for this stuff, but she didn’t break up The Beatles. People who say that have no idea what they’re talking about.
Not saying you were saying that (though it seems heavily implied).
John broke up the Beatles. He’s the one who chose to put his relationship above his band. That’s his prerogative though, it’s his life.
They were all kind of splitting apart already, and John was just the first one to take a concrete step in ending it by bringing Yoko to practices and recording sessions.
If it wasn’t Yoko, it would have been some other woman. She was just used by John as a tool to get the process started. I’m not saying their love wasn’t real, but hey two birds with one stone.
Who are the Beatles?