Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations out there with all the high ranking government officials having direct financial ties to the oligarchs in US. Nuland is literally on record hand picking government officials after the coup.
Again, my statement wasn’t absolutist. What I said is that Ukrainian government is full of nazis, which is a documented fact. You turned it into they’re all nazis which is not what I said. Right wing extremists clearly have huge influence in Ukraine, and they’re backed by Ukrainian oligarchs. You keep trying to paint this as some sort of a nuanced issue, but it’s not.
I agree in some points, e.g. that Ukraine is a very corrupt state.
Right wing extremists clearly have huge influence
I heard otherwise, not that they have no influence. But “clearly” a “huge influence” sounds wrong as well. Can you are least be a little more specific how significant you think these influences are?
with all the high ranking government officials having direct financial ties to the oligarchs in US
do you refer to the panama papers?
Intially you wrote (at the second top level of this thread):
before the west decided they needed a color revolution and a government full of nazis.
which implies some big western conspiracy, which I think is wrong and a too simplistic view.
I heard otherwise, not that they have no influence.
You heard this where exactly? Far right extremists are literally part of the government, secrete police, and military forces. Nazis had literally battalions that were officially part of the army.
do you refer to the panama papers?
Panama papers show a small glimpse into these ties, they’ve been extensively documented elsewhere as well. Biden family is directly involved in many questionable business dealings in Ukraine.
which implies some big western conspiracy, which I think is wrong and a too simplistic view.
There is nothing simplistic about it, and much of this is now public knowledge. You seem to be rather ignorant regarding the subject you’re debating here. This whole discussion has been you saying that you’re not aware of the basic facts of the situation.
Not really sure why you felt the need to start a debate on the subject you’re ignorant about.
Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations out there with all the high ranking government officials having direct financial ties to the oligarchs in US. Nuland is literally on record hand picking government officials after the coup.
Again, my statement wasn’t absolutist. What I said is that Ukrainian government is full of nazis, which is a documented fact. You turned it into they’re all nazis which is not what I said. Right wing extremists clearly have huge influence in Ukraine, and they’re backed by Ukrainian oligarchs. You keep trying to paint this as some sort of a nuanced issue, but it’s not.
I agree in some points, e.g. that Ukraine is a very corrupt state.
I heard otherwise, not that they have no influence. But “clearly” a “huge influence” sounds wrong as well. Can you are least be a little more specific how significant you think these influences are?
do you refer to the panama papers?
Intially you wrote (at the second top level of this thread):
which implies some big western conspiracy, which I think is wrong and a too simplistic view.
That’s why I started the discussion.
You heard this where exactly? Far right extremists are literally part of the government, secrete police, and military forces. Nazis had literally battalions that were officially part of the army.
Panama papers show a small glimpse into these ties, they’ve been extensively documented elsewhere as well. Biden family is directly involved in many questionable business dealings in Ukraine.
There is nothing simplistic about it, and much of this is now public knowledge. You seem to be rather ignorant regarding the subject you’re debating here. This whole discussion has been you saying that you’re not aware of the basic facts of the situation.
Not really sure why you felt the need to start a debate on the subject you’re ignorant about.