Okay but tbf the arch wiki is probably the only source of online documentation that is actually up to date lol.
I abuse it for literally every stupid corner case on any distro
Gentoo wiki is sometimes better for non-systemd stuff tho.
Cause literally everything is in the wiki, written out very simply. Rewriting that in a chat and email would be counter productive.
It’s the same shit as working tech support, no one EVER reads manuals or does standard troubleshooting, they instantly jump to asking people for help which forces them to just read out the manual and troubleshooting steps first instead of actually helping those who need help…
If people could learn to take care of the fundamentals themselves and only ask for help when actually needed, everyone would be better off.
I’m too much of an internet introvert to ask people my problems, I just spend 1h debugging and reading the wiki
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I hate that, because when i call tech support i have to listen to them walk me through the basic steps before i get to the parts i need. I try telling them I’ve already worked through basic troubleshooting, but most of them are reading a script for every idiot that calls.
It’s sort of a tragedy of the commons sadly, it’s more effective to just treat everyone like a User than to gamble on people actually knowing what they’re doing.
As a fellow ex-help desk guy :tm:. I just want to say that A) I feel you but also B) the very fact that you know no one reads manuals should be an indication that expecting them to is a flaw. Instead most people generally do better with hands on coaching. Idk about your job, but back when I was working help desk I got way better results when I let people just be people and patiently guided them through the steps. Most of them catch on eventually
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don’t even need that, i’ve interacted with several companies that use a simple chatbot with pre-programmed responses and honestly? It’s pretty nice and doesn’t feel like bullshit.
Biggest issue is probably that people tend to forget it’s not a human, and ask it 10 run-on questions which makes the software cry.
They have to specifically tell you to ask one question at a time and use as few words as possible…
As a noob to Linux: THERE’S A WIKI? Awesome!
As a mechanic: Everything I deal with comes with an instruction manual that has the steps written out simply… for a mechanic.
If I didn’t ask the simple questions when I first started, despite having the manual available, never would have learned the basics from someone who knows.
I’m not trying to sound combative or anything, just that sometimes a person needs a small stepping stone of an answer to progress.
I’ve been bitter enough to copy and paste it into a chatbox.
I get your sentiment on people skipping the reasearch part and jumping to asking help but I wouldn’t say everything is documented tho. Although for the few problems that I did have arch documentation was pretty nice. I myself have an bluetooth bug that I eventually gave up as I couldn’t find a fix to it, that’s the only post I made with this account if u want to look it up. With things constantly changing and the infinite possibilities of config, there will always be some unknown bugs or issues that no documentation can cover.
I love it when it’s a fairly simple issue and the op gets everything but the answer because people just want to talk shit.
“Just Google it!”
Proceeds to Google the issue, top result is the same thread.
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Ay thanks
That’s one based neck beard
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Their wiki is amazing but if I had to be a part of the Arch community to use the distro, I would give it a hard pass. They’re toxic AF.
Eh, the toxic ones are just the loudest, the same applies anywhere else too.
I understand your point but if you end up on their forum through searches, it’s pretty clear that the majority of participants are the loud ones, making it irrelevant how many quiet ones aren’t participating. You’re just reading a topic between someone needing help and a group of people trolling them because they can.
I’ve been using arch for 2 years and I’ve been regularly using the forum to troubleshoot issues. The vast majority of posts, at least from what I have seen and experienced were just of people trying to troubleshoot the issue, asking for command outputs, providing suggestions or just wiki links to people who have missed things in the installation or forum links if the issue was solved previously. Sure there might have been some toxicity in some threads, but that’s bound to happen in an open forum.
Maybe I’m super lucky but that’s my experience with the platform. Most of the toxicity I’ve encountered on the internet when it comes to arch and Linux in general was on reddit and lemmy, where people just try to push other distros down and make their own look superior.
The solution I’ve sort-of found is to go to communities of Arch-based systems instead of Arch itself. The same solution should work in most cases*, and the communities are more newbie-friendly.
*Depends on how close to Arch the distro is in this aspect/subsystem. The Manjaro community is probably less likely to offer AUR based solutions, since the AUR can be unreliable/unsafe on Manjaro.
If you are new and need help you can ask in the newbie corner. Most people are really helpful there even with the most trivial problem. Well you can also use it if you are more experienced, it is a nice place to get help and participate.
In other forums you are expected to have done some research first though, e.g. checked the wiki and maybe the bug tracker first and provide your relevant logs. That’s what might get you in this comics situation though.
I’m just thinking about the scene in Hackers where they are sharing their books. Wasn’t the “ugly red book that doesn’t fit on a desk” the unix manual? 🤣
Btw, what happened with VNC? Archwiki only redirects to a shallow article of tightvnc.
Should i go with something different for gaming (no lag)? Rustdesk does lag.
I’ve had good luck with the streaming in Steam. It used to be called in home streaming, but they changed the name and I forget what is called. It works very well in the house, I’ve used it to play some games with difficult platforming and it was fine. It even works over the Internet, although I assume there would be some lag that way. I’ve only played civilization 6 from a different location so I couldn’t tell if it was lagging.
Easy to set up too, just turn on the option for the host and open steam. From the client, log in with the same username and turn it on. When you look at your games, you have the option of playing local or remote.
Make sure you use hardware video decoding, I had a ton of lag before I got that working right
That’s an option for Steam games, thanks. But most of my games are from other sources (isthereanydeal) and adding them all to steam is a pain.
Not necessarily just steam games. I use the Steam Link app on my home TV connected via Ethernet, and you can boot straight into your desktop. Theoretically I could play or do anything I wanted as if it were my main desktop if I plugged in a mouse and keyboard.
So uh, do i need the Steamlink app and is it supported only for some games or what now? Steams help page isn’t really helpful. What you mentioned sounds different.
Yeah I’m gonna be completely honest, Steam has pretty garbage info related to this considering how well it seems to work for me. They should really make it more obvious.
As long as Steam is running and signed in on your PC, after you first set things up, you should be able to pull up the Steam Link app on your phone, TV, etc and connect to your PC. They have to be on the same network until 1st time setup, then you can connect from anywhere.
I think there are some “home streaming” options in the Steam settings that let you set things like “boot to desktop/steam/Big Picture” so you can set it up how you want.
If you’re trying to run it off wifi it might not be great (it’ll definitely still work), but I’ve had good luck on a wired connection.
The steamlink app and the regular steam app are the two clients. I don’t think they work any differently, but steamlink is remote only. I use the regular steam app but have used steamlink too.
Some games don’t work based on how they are made, but steam will let you try with anything. I’ve had some games where controllers don’t work because the game is looking for input on a way that steam isn’t sending.
Is there any easy remote desktop solution for gaming at all on Linux?
From what I’ve seen it’s all either too hard, at least for me, to get running (Sunshine/Moonlight) or not performant enough (anything VNC or RDP based, Rustdesk without self-hosting the server)VNC is supposed to be the more performant solution. Is there any better?
Theoretically Sunshine as I understand would be best, but I never got it to work, maybe I should try again.
VNC may be good, but probably the limitation for me is the network speed, I just remember that in that in the past when I used Parsec on Windows it was pretty good, even though my network was even worse than it is today, but I liked it especially because it was stupid easy to set up
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Here’s the clean template: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2730869 (idk how to link to lemmy posts properly)
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Arc Hlinux
You spelled Debian wrong in this comic about the supreme Linux distribution.
Arch is literally easier than mint
I used to use Ubuntu on my netbook years and years ago, until I came to the conclusion “dammit, at this point, I would have had easier time if I had just installed Debian to begin with”, and installed Debian
I would say for a out of the box and for a beginner is mint way easier than arch. Try to explain your grandma what a kernel is and how modules work in there. Mint autoinstalls every printer driver and co. Arch doesn’t. I use arch btw at home but I would never install it for a beginner
lol i love these edits
yeah, I really like the template as well
