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Hate to be that person but no headphone jack for a sustainable phone?
Environmentally friendly and fairly sourced, except for the consumable blue tooth earbuds we will sell you as a consumable to push our profits while creating e-waste.
Or the dongles you’ll lose. It’s the only reason I didn’t buy the Fairphone 4 and will never get the next one. I don’t understand how you can market sustainability and fixable stuff without the headphone jack.
am i seriously the only one that uses usb-c headphones? why is everyone immediately jumping to bluetooth?
I know it’s a crutch, but there’s always a USB-C to 3.5mm converter. There are some versions sold that still keep the charging port.
Then give me 2 usb c ports on the phone.i can compromise with that
With no headphone jack thats gonna be a no for me dawg. How can they promote sustainability and then design a product that is going to be unusable in 5 years max. That’s just the reality of all wireless headphones. The battery will fail to hold charge and they will become useless. Not the truth for wired headphones. Goodwired headphones will last as long as you’re able to take care of them usually
Edit: if anyone could give me one good real reason to remove the headphone jack? It’s not about the alternatives it’s why remove it in the first place? And the space saving aspect of it has long been debunked.
I switched to using wireless headphones a good decade ago and I’ve never had a set die die to the battery going.
I’ve had plenty of wired headphones die bectthr cable became frayed or loose though.
I am still surprised at the lack of a headphone jack in the Fairphone, but I don’t agree that wireless devices are somehow more prone to becoming e-waste.
How are they not going to become e-waste? At some point the battery will die. And more people will just throw those out then they will recycle them. The Bluetooth codec on the set will get outdated. I have old wireless Bluetooth speakers that are completely “useless” now because of the battery and old Bluetooth codec which doesn’t work with modern phones. But damn if I still can’t plug into their headphones Jack and use them while they’re powered from the wall. If you look up the average lifespan of wireless earbuds you get answers anywhere from 1 to 5 years lol. I have a pair of headphones from the 90’s that work great. I have another pair older than me.
The answer to this problem is better wireless headphones
The battery will fail to hold charge and they will become useless. Not the truth for wired headphones.
I don’t know how you use your headphones, but in my case I switched to wireless because every single pair of wired headphones I had would break. Usually the cable, earbuds because they were in my pocket, and the overhead ones I’d drive over with my office chair.
Switched to wireless a couple years ago, no issues since then.
It’s cuz you don’t put them in a protective case every time like you do with wireless earbuds. If you took the same care to wrap them up and properly protect them every single time before you put them away which takes like three more seconds than wireless earbuds they would last just as long.
It’s not the same care though. Wireless earbuds come with a box. For regular ones, I’d have to make a suitable box, and also carefully roll the cables every time.
Moondrop Aria. $70/80, comes with a carrying case + detachable cable.
If all of your wired iems broke, you either broke them yourself or were buying very crappy iems.
A lot of wired earbuds especially if you’re willing to spend the kind of money you would spend on wireless earbuds come with very nice carrying cases. For cheapos there’s really cheap like silicone wraps that are super easy to use. It’s a little piece of silicone with a few little cutouts that makes wrapping the headphones really easy and keeps them relatively protected and tangle free. I put headphones on it every day for years and they’ve kept just as well as the ones with the fancy carry cases. In any case you can get much better sounding wired headphones plus the cheap carrying case for cheaper than any just as good wireless headset out there . And even if you’re not looking for a deal out of wired headphones. There is always a better fidelity over the microphone and sound quality than most wireless earbuds in my experience. Especially if you’re spending the same kind of money you are on wireless earbuds. And the only inconvenience comes at the lack of a headphone port. Putting them away is not this hassle people make it to be. There is a convenience of seconds with wireless earbuds.
Really? My wired headphones have lasted 10+ years. My oldest bluetooth headset lasted 5.
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My sony XM4s had to be replaced less than a year after I bought them because the fw killed the battery.
Even if the battery has a long lifespan, it’s still impossible for it to match the longevity (and ease of repair) a cable has.
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USB DACs are quite small now. I don’t mind having to plug mine into my phone to use wired headphones.
I refuse to buy a phone without a headphone jack but in my experience wired earbuds last about 9 months while my cheap JBL 110bt bluetooth buds are still going strong after more than 5 years of almost daily use. The battery still lasts about 7 hours.
Stop buying crappy earbuds then. I have IEMs and headphones several decades old that still work just fine.
2028 Baseband support … so 5 ish years of full support. Which is pretty good, why not just say that?
Because they promised and continue to deliver more on Fairphones 2&3
So the specs seem pretty good. Some are equivalent to the Pixel 7, some a little less, some a bit better like the selfie camera. But the pixel is quite a bit cheaper, nearly $200 retail. I wonder if they’re considering making a cheaper version equivalent to the Pixel a series.
I wonder if they’re considering making a cheaper version equivalent to the Pixel a series
I doubt it. Every different iteration of the phone means producing less pieces, which will inevitably drive the cost up. I doubt Fairphone can afford it.
I think due to the custom designs involved in making it modular / repairable, combined with the niche appeal, it’s expected that these devices will be produced in low volumes and therefore will always cost more than the equivalent Pixel, due to missing out on economies of scale.
Sustainability has a price. You’re indirectly paying that price for the Pixel too btw, it’s just not on the bill.
Will be interesting to see a comparison of the fp4 and the pf5!
I am looking forward to them eventually release a modular smartphone, like the framework. Since most component in a phone last way more than 5 years, yet the chipset is unlikely to be snappy after that amount of time.
A moment of silence for the best thing google ever killed.
Wait, people are scared of industrial components? They’re usually the most reliable
Iirc, a lot of them also have efficiency as a secondary priority, since whatever the chip is running will always be plugged in.
Secondary, yes, but the push to claim “muh production line is more green” has probably improved that too.
Embedded, low power stuff is quite common.
Then again I’m no expert, they could very well still be power hogs
Yeah, but it usually doesn’t downclock as aggressively, right? Or is that entirely dependent on the CPU scheduler?
The scheduler can’t do anything if the hardware isn’t designed to. If the cpu can’t downclock when idle, it won’t, regardless of software
Specs aren’t too bad, doesn’t sound like a bad mig range phone and I might actually consider this if it wasn’t that they don’t sell it here 😔
but muh headphone jack!!
Ah, another post on a great new addition to the Fairphone lineup, another post where the top comments are complaining about because there is no headphone jack, they won’t consider it.
Y’all seriously have your priorities messed up if that’s what keeps you from supporting Fairphone. If having a device with a headphone jack is that important to you, invest in a dedicated audio player. You can get some with high quality DAC’s and more. But seriously, y’all need to cope about the Fairphone not having a single feature you want being a total deal breaker. That’s honestly petty…
How about, fuck no.
People have a right to demand a very simple feature that costs almost nothing and is incredibly useful. If that’s a major requirement, then who the hell are you to say they can’t depend it?
For a phone who’s ethos is sustainability buying a 2nd device just for music is antithetical. When my FP3 eventually goes out of support I’ll have to look elsewhere.
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I’ve bought 2 wireless Samsung earbuds pros because 1 stopped working. The second one also stopped working so I bought 10 dollar wired earbuds and haven’t had an issue. I wasted like 250 dollars before finding a 10 dollar solution.
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This seems to kill my USB C Port, as the dongle is attached while I move around and I’ve already destroyed 2 USB C DACs and 1 phone port.
I have switched to Bluetooth because of that, but a headphone jack would be really nice, because I do have some custom in-ears and some nice over-ears around, which I now never use…
Seems really awesome and promising however I’m not really trying to have an outdated computer (read: phone) at 600 euro. Not even available in north America right now.
I like what they’re trying to do, however 10 years is an eternity in the tech world and if this company doesn’t sell enough phones - likely enough of this phone, then whose to say this company will even be around in 10 years, much less have a dev team competent enough to take over support where Qualcomm left off?
This is one of those huge promises that manufacturers make, with little to no evidence of being able to back it up.
Lol, they were funded 10 years ago snd when fairephone one came out people were already saying what you’re saying.
There are customers for this kind of phones and the idea to not throw away perfectly working electronics.
But customers accepted to not be able to replace their batteries or being sold phone full of glue.
Outdated hardware isn’t really as important on a phone than it is as a PC. Unless you are gaming on your phone, phone hardware is plenty powerful enough these days for the grand majority of tasks.
The software updates are the biggest concern and they intend to do 10 years of updates. That is more than long enough for this device before it becomes obsolete.
Anyone with an older model know if there’s been a way to add wireless (qi) charging?
There are such pads that plug in via the usb and can be hidden under a case, if you had no other option. I’ve used it for my android mp3 player.
Sounda great, but like all previous Fairphones there’s no reason for the vast majority of the people on Earth to be interested in this because it’s only available in Europe.
Even if I do import it here in AU; I don’t get a real warranty, I pay huge important taxes (or a markup to a reseller), and I have to go through just as much trouble for any replacement parts I may need.
You realize you are on a social media platform primarily funded by the European Union right?
Jokes aside, it’s not like the same argument ever comes up if the new is about US internal laws about net neutrality or their ISPs having to tell customers what they bill.
What argument? It’s a fact that I can’t purchase this phone, nor can most people on the planet.
Net neutrality and US ISP billing shenanigans don’t imact me, nor do they impact the rest of the planet.
What does that have to do with a phone that’s only sold in Europe?
