Nice, seems like we’re finally getting to the point where we stop blaming the common people for climate change.
Also, this seems like a much, MUCH better PR move than throwing paint at masterpieces in fucking museums.
I don’t know who thought that was something that would have moved the public opinion towards their cause.Well it did seem to do a good job bringing attention to their cause. And, the worst damage incurred over the dozens of demonstrations was some minor frame damage. Imo it was kind of a brilliant scheme to get worldwide attention for the price of some tomato soup
I don’t even know what you’re talking about so apparently it didn’t do that good of a job
It was these people. Go down to protests - art galleries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil
Nah, that was pretty useless because it just brought ridicule to them and the cause. A lot like gluing themselves to public surfaces, which anyone I talk to remembers laughingly, but nobody can tell me what they were protesting. That’s completely useless.
This actually gets the point across.
They were throwing paint into corporate offices and CEO’s car at the same time. The media chose to put the art vandalism on blast. I wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out the art vandalism was the idea of a corporate mole.
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No, I can believe that true believers thought that art vandalism was a good idea, but I’m just skeptical about where the idea originated from.
We all play a part. The polluting corporations all sell consumer goods.
We can all adopt a plant based diet which will absolutely slow change as well as cost less than a diet that involves meat
Ok, I’ll give you a choice!
- Eat this food that’s made in a way that causes a lot of environmental problems
- Eat this food that’s made by the same company, except it claims it’s vegan, hides the fact it’s the same company by using 10 middle-men, but has great marketing
- Eat this actually environmentally friendly food. Wait, scratch that, you’re too poor to actually eat this regularly
- Starve to death
What great choices you have!
Most vegan and plant based foods are MUCH less expensive unless you are only eating pre-prepared foods. A bag of rice and a bag of beans and some veggies are not expensive at all.
You seem to not have any of the facts.
what your suggesting takes time and equipment (and some experience with seasoning). the time alone can make it cost-prohibitive.
Except people around the world manage to do this
many people still cannot afford it, no matter how your arrange the facts.
If they can afford ground beef at $4/lb why can’t they afford things that are much cheaper?
We can all adopt a plant based diet which will absolutely slow change as well as cost less than a diet that involves meat.
Found the vegan.
Some people need to eat meat: Like my room mate who has mass cell activation.
Also many indigenous peoples have dishes that involve meat. They are not apart of this problem.
Frankly there are a lot of reason to eat meat. If I go out and shoot my own deer and butcher it and cook it this does not effect the climate the same way as buying beef of the shelf.
And while beef is particularly resource and land intensive so are many vegetables you see at grocery stores.
Do you eat avocados? Because most avocados grown in mexico are done under control by violent cartels.
Many people probably should eat less meat. But acting like EVRYONE can do this is wrong on many fronts.
If you want to be a vegetarian please do. But lets stop acting like its a real solution to climate change or even a option for many people. It isnt.
I gotta be honest, this comes across more like excuses to not make changes or even admit your part. I’m not a vegetarian myself, but I’m under no delusions that my meal preferences aren’t bad for the environment and have ethical concerns. I eat meat anyway because honestly, I just like the taste and struggle to give that up. But I fully support those who can give it up and want to see lab grown meat be a viable replacement.
Like your roommate, nobody is saying literally everyone has to stop eating meat full stop. If you have a medical need, obviously keep eating meat. Similarly, reducing how much meat you eat is still an improvement. You don’t have to go 100% vegetarian.
Similarly, if indigenous folks can sustainably eat meat, cool. But most people simply aren’t doing that. And are you aware of why meat is so bad for the environment? I mean this 100% seriously: cow farts. Raising livestock ethically only addresses the moral problems with animal husbandry. This thread is about environmental problems. Land intensiveness doesn’t actually matter that much. The amount of land used isn’t the problem.
The avocados thing isn’t related to environment. Again, I gotta be honest here, this feels like an attempt at a “gotcha”. I get it. I struggled with the idea that my own consumption (which again, I still do) is bad for the environment. Plus I could never kill an animal myself. I can only eat meat because I emotionally separate myself from it. It’s a hard reality to face and I’m still not really comfortable with it. But we can’t act like “oh, you eat a bad thing, so I’m okay to do different bad things” is a good reasoning.
Don’t take things literally when someone says “we should all do X”. That’s not a personal attack on you if you don’t. That’s just how we talk. We say “everyone should watch the new Barbie movie because it’s really great” but I don’t actually mean literally every single human needs to watch it.
cow farts
Changing what we feed cows from like corn by-products to barley and hops by-products reduces this problem greatly. But of course the scale isn’t big enough.
Not a vegan Im just trying to make the only difference I can make.
I get that you don’t want to recognize that most of the meat people eat is part of the problem or that there is something you can do but it does not change the facts.
…Im just trying to make the only difference I can make. [emphasis added]
Bullshit. Do you drive a car? You can definitely change that!
Sadly the 70 miles I need to walk every day would be an issue. I can’t afford a home closer to work either but I can move to a plant based diet.
Jesus tap-dancing Christ, 70 miles?! That’s egregious even for a car commute! Even without doing the math, I’m pretty sure that your environmental savings from not eating meat is a rounding error compared to that kind of clown car habit.
If you can’t find a home closer to work, you need to find a new job closer to home. Something’s got to give, if not for the planet then at least for your own sake!
If you want to give me the $500,000 I need to get a house closer to my work I’d take it.
If not you are doing the punching down everyone is talking about.
there is something you can do
there is something you can do, but being vegan doesn’t help.
You fell for the propaganda.
The 1% do more damage to the planet than consumer habits could ever hope up mitigate.
If you feel better making what you see as more sustainable life choices I fully support it and more power to you. But the reality is that it doesn’t matter whether or not we eat meat, sort your recycling, or bring our canvas bags to the grocery store.
Sorry but you are flatly incorrect. As a singular individual my choices matter little but as part of a larger whole they can make a difference if enough people do the same.
Emissions from the farming and transport of meat are huge and reducing that number would make an impact.
What you have bought into is the idea that you do not need to change at all
It’s understandable that you are overestimating your own impact.
You mean the half of humanity without clean water, reliable electricity, and certainly no Internet emits less CO2 than the top 10% (630M!) wealthiest people in the entire world? There are not 630M Billionaires. There are not even 630M Millionaires. An income of $80-100k puts you at 10% worldwide.
Sure, go right ahead. Tell the family with an income of $80k that they need to cut out their use of private jets and mega yachts. That’ll fix climate change right up.
I was waiting for this article because I bet you never read this trash study. They assign the entire footprint to the business owner. Now who is responsible for the emissions of my local power plant, the CEO or the people using the power? This study says the CEO despite the fact the consumers dictate how much power is needed to be generated.
Next time try reading your sources critically
If you change the mind of one billionaire and you’ll have reached the same result as a million of ordinary people. But he’s got you convinced your mission is to punch down.
You are literally buying into propaganda in order to resist recognizing your role in climate change.
Again try reading critically in the future, child.
The polluting corporations all sell consumer goods.
and we NEED to demand that they are made using green energy. The price incentives offered by the US government now are so fucking insane that the only thing keeping these companies from making a change is whatever fossil companies can offer them.
Just … You already know what you have to eat to mitigate this horror. And it ain’t plants, friend.
The only other way to slow climate change is a massive death event in the West and China and to a much lesser extent India. I can’t eat people let alone a few billion.
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Yeah! As long as it’s not our fault!
The buck stops anywhere but here!
Both can be at fault and yes billionaires are worse but that’s not excuse for others to do nothing whatsoever
seems like we’re finally getting to the point where we stop blaming the common people for climate change.
I mean the “common people” are to blame. The 1% doesn’t live in a vacuum.
Do billionaires carry a significantly larger portion of that blame? Yes. But we’re all on this gaseous rock together. Them being at fault doesn’t mean you can’t do your part. They couldn’t do what they do if the people weren’t buying the shit they’re selling.
Absolutely, targeting activism towards the lifestyles of the rich is a crucial step in addressing the issue of higher CO2 emissions and climate change. It’s not about vilifying individuals, but rather recognizing that certain lifestyles contribute significantly to environmental harm.
Focusing solely on the lower and middle class isn’t the solution, as they are the ones who often bear the brunt of climate change impacts and economic adjustments. What might be considered “luxury” for them is often just basic necessities, and their livelihoods are directly affected by climate-related changes.
On the other hand, the elite and super elites can afford to make substantial changes to their lifestyles without sacrificing their basic needs. Cutting back on private flights, yachts, and excessive consumption won’t significantly impact their quality of life. Their choices to reduce their environmental footprint can send a powerful message and create a domino effect, encouraging positive change on a larger scale.
This doesn’t mean demonizing anyone; it’s about promoting awareness and responsibility. We need systemic changes, and these should start from the top down. By targeting the source of excessive consumption and promoting sustainable choices among the rich, we can create a more equitable and sustainable future for everyone.
I’m ok with demonizing wealth hoarders as individuals. More than ok, actually.
We should be much, much more than just name calling.
Eat the rich!
Golf? I need to do some research. I’d be lining up more useless garbage like cruise ships, coal energy, gas powered mowers, and all of the ‘recyclable’ garbage that isn’t. Also styrofoam. Fuck styrofoam.
The gripe with golf usually lies within the incredibly high amounts of water needed to keep the courses green.
That makes sense. Places like Arizona make my jaw drop.
The locals know golf isn’t the problem in Arizona. It’s ‘use it or lose it’ water rights for agriculture, and selling land/water to foreign powers (Saudi alfalfa)
Then there shouldn’t be any opposition to courses in places like the PNW. Right?
Golf can use a terrible amount of water, plus keeping it mowed, and cutting forests for it. Places like Canada or the UK might be fine if it’s not a drought year. But there’s golf courses as far as Mexico. There’s places in Mexico that is so dry outside of the summer months that golf courses would use a disgusting amount of water to keep the greens… green… there was a golf course in Mexico I went to that only bothered with the putting area and a bit around that. Everything else was dirt. It wasn’t that pleasant of an experience because you do kick up dust when teeing off and whatnot. However, no way to lose your ball I suppose. Still, the water they needed just for the putting area must have been disgusting.
we need to change golf so it respects the land the course is built on, and doesn’t try to make everything look like scotland. keep the green as-is but make the fairway something that doesn’t use water, fits the local landscape (maybe have different solutions for different environments) and is just as playable as fairway grass. leave the out of bounds areas untouched. I think golf could serve to gain from forming itself to the terrain it’s played on, rather than the other way around
Scotland doesn’t and shouldn’t look anything like a golf course, hell the entire image of Scotland thats sold to the outside worlds is basically entierly artifically sculpted and maintained landscapes that continue to choke out our native species.
we need to change golf so it respects the land
But then you lose the feeling of entitlement.
And let’s face it, that, plus knowing you are better then everyone else is the whole reason to play!
The vast majority of courses are this way. The PGA level courses and private clubs are the main problems. For example in Florida many courses are part of treating waste water and act as a flood control for the surrounding condos.
I though it would be a neat twist to have sand dune golf courses with much smaller playing areas since you won’t hit the ball as far, and you can irrigate small patches of grass that you don’t mow and it gets 6-8" tall as a grass trap instead of a water/sand trap.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
BARCELONA, Spain (AP) — Climate activists have spraypainted a superyacht, blocked private jets from taking off and plugged holes in golf courses this summer as part of an intensifying campaign against the emissions-spewing lifestyles of the ultrawealthy.
Climate activism has intensified in the past few years as the planet warms to dangerous levels, igniting more extreme heat, floods, storms and wildfires around the world.
Tactics have been getting more radical, with some protesters gluing themselves to roads, disrupting high-profile sporting events like golf and tennis and even splashing famous pieces of artwork with paint or soup.
They’re now turning their attention to the wealthy, after long targeting some of the world’s most profitable companies – oil and gas conglomerates, banks and insurance firms that continue to invest in fossil fuels.
“We do not point the finger at the people but at their lifestyle, the injustice it represents,” said Karen Killeen, an Extinction Rebellion activist who was involved in protests in Ibiza, Spain, a favorite summer spot for the wealthy.
He published estimates of top billionaires’ annual emissions in 2021 and found that a superyacht — with permanent crew, helicopter pad, submarines and pools — emits about 7,020 tons of carbon dioxide a year, over 1,500 times higher than a typical family car.
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plugged holes in golf courses
I mean… that’s kind of pointless, many courses change hole locations daily anyway.
What the Letzte Generation did on Sylt was way more sensible: Replace hole flags with signs saying “natural reserve” and then plant native trees and flowers everywhere.
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Good. More of this please.
Pointless, but better than blocking roadways.
Ah yes protests against the rich have never been useful before
There’s an enormous gap between private jets & yachts, and golf. Most cities have municipal golf courses that are affordable and they even rent out clubs. Golf is a relaxing sport that preserves green spaces that would otherwise be parking lots. I’ve seen a lot of hate against golf on this site already though, so I guess it’s fashionable to hate it now.
It wouldn’t necessarily be a parking lot though would it? That’s just convenient for your argument. The truth is it would be extra easy and cheap to turn golf courses into public parks, with local trees and flowers instead of water guzzling grass. That would improve weather events, wildlife and human lives’ quality in the area.
There’s plenty to be outraged about other than golf. Cities aren’t running out of space because of a golf course.
Maybe not space, but water.
From 2003-2005, the average water use for golf course irrigation in the U.S. was estimated to be 2,312,701 acrefeet per year. That equates to approximately 2.08 billion gallons of water per day for golf course irrigation in the U.S.
Source: https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/Water%20Resource%20Center/how-much-water-does-golf-use.pdf
Golf in the desert is a ridiculous luxury, even if it’s city-owned. They tell us not to flush our toilets, but dump gallons per hour into those short little greens.
“The yachts are just a small issue, focuse on the bigger issues first!” Said the yacht owner.
“There are so little private jets, you should focuse on bigger issues first!” Said the jet owner.
There’s an enormous gap between private jets & yachts, and golf. Most cities have municipal golf courses that are affordable and they even rent out clubs. Golf is a relaxing sport that preserves green spaces that would otherwise be parking lots. I’ve seen a lot of hate against golf on this site already though, so I guess it’s fashionable to hate it now.
Said the golf player.
“Green spaces” A golf course is basically a giant lawn. That space would be better as a park with actual trees and shit for everyone else that doesn’t give a shit about golf.
You make a compelling point. I think my hatred of golf is perhaps reactionary.
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Why?
Could you give them a moment? They have to get Bezo’s dick out of their mouth.
