President Joe Biden said Friday that he is planning to request more money from Congress to develop another new coronavirus vaccine, as scientists track new waves and hospitalizations rise, though not like before
Republicans will fight him on this, because somehow they’ll find fault in this if a DEMOCRAT does it.
To be fair, the companies are raking in huge profits on the vaccines still. They can afford to do faster research themselves. If the public coffers pay, they should get equity.
Hey, lemme know when we get that dividend for the oil profits we’ve been subsidizing for decades.
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You get it in the form of low gas prices.
The only thing we get from those subsidies is an impending end to everything we care about with massive suffering in the mean time.
A majority of their voters are antivaxxers, so it is not just because a Democrat doing it. It is the fact that it is being done at all.
Not a majority, but a substantial number of them. Majority of Republicans got vaccinated, and even a slim majority favored vaccine mandates, but that eroded as it became a Party talking point.
Huh yeah it reminds me of when Trump came out with the first vaccines and all the Democrats said they didn’t trust it. At least until Biden was in office. Funny how that works isn’t it? Take the Trump vaccines if you haven’t already and then take the Biden vaccines when they are ready. Stay safe everyone
Sorry about your brain damage incident!
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Nope, you apparently just think Trump has anything to do with a vaccine. Absolutely laughable position.
Operation Warp Speed nonce. Not that it matters since it was absolute garbage.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/operation-warp-speed-trump-pfizer-moderna-vaccine-1.5806820
Experts agree that the Trump administration’s Operation Warp Speed played a significant role in Moderna’s development of a potential vaccine. (Moderna/Reuters)
You’re wrong. I said I wanted the vaccine as soon as it came out and was only available to certain people. Trump’s being in office had nothing to do with it. Also, they aren’t “Trump vaccines” or “Biden vaccines.” That’s moronic.
I think they might actually be partisan. After I took the Trump vaccine I felt significantly more right wing. Looking forward to this new Biden vaccine so I can get back to my normal political views.
Lol what? All the democrats didn’t trust it? Are you nuts? We were begging for that shit
Hey I just wanna say thanks for making it easy to know who to block =*
Vaccines weren’t available to the public until after the election and Republican voters’ support for COVID vaccines has been, at best, a slim majority that has only gone down with time. You know other people can just verify this stuff right?
https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2023/05/16/what-americans-think-about-covid-19-vaccines/
So the government will fund it with tax money, and pharma companies will sell it back to the government for “undisclosed” amount. Did i get it right? Oh what capitalism will do for our collective good.
Still an improvement over the current policy of “shut the fuck up, covid is over.”
They are already working on a new booster that should be out at the end of September, but I don’t know if it is targeted enough for the new dominant Eris variant, whose main mutation allows it to better escape prior immune detection, or with the emerging Pirola variant, which has a concerning 30 new mutations whose effects are still being investigated.
So, an entirely new vaccine to deal with the newer mutated variants would be great. And with the advances in mRNA vaccine development over the past few years, it shouldn’t take long to make a new vaccine either.
Every day i’m thankful to the people who voted Biden/Harris and ousted the criminal fascist trump admin. THANK YOU from Canada.
That’ll turn those dropping pharma stocks trending back up.
I’m immunocompromised and have to stop some of my drugs to take the vaccines. There’s no way I can do it again.
Imagine downvoting someone expressing their legitimate experience with a challenge problem they fa ce.
Or you got downvote brigaded. Either way, this is a valid concern but unfortunately just underlines the reality of being immunocompromised - you are vulnerable and it is the responsibility of your friends family and neighbors to think about the vulnerable and do these things to protect people like you so you can live as long and healthy as possible.
Yeah, it’s kind of wild. The original point of herd immunity was to cover for people that for whatever reason couldn’t vaccinate. Luckily, the array of bullshit I’m on hasn’t caused huge problems past feeling like shit and becoming lactose intolerant.
Yes, keep making more vaccines but don’t make people wear masks and keep distances. Theres literally nothing we can do to prevent diseases spreading besides vaccines. Surely covid was the last virus to threaten us.
When do we stop wearing masks, in your estimation? Never, since airborne diseases will always exist?
When you’re not breathing ten centimeters away from me. Thank you
You’re the first anti-vax, pro-mask person I’ve ever seen.
Why not the Flu too? Both are similar now it seems and both are a nuisance. Why just a vaccine for Coronavirus?
I’m pretty sure there’s already a flu vaccine for this year’s strains, what with me having already gotten one.
Right you are.
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They should make covid part of the same flu shot. In fact they should go a step further and make a massive combo of everything you need as one shot per year. Or mix it in the crops every harvest, or our water supply, or make the meds a mandatory ingredient for all table salt jars or something, so we all just have everything we need automatically with the latest updates as and when they release.
Influenza and the coronavirus are two very different things. No matter what RW politicians/media tell you, they are NOT the same.
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You just described a friend of mine. He’s a retired epidemiologist. Used to do tabletop modeling with his team, used to go to universities to give talks about what to do when an epidemic hits.
For context, he’d said back when Ebola was making headlines that “we’re overdue for an epidemic, but this isn’t likely going to be it”. And then in February 2020 he warned me “it’s coming, I hope you have a plan”.
He had also shared the following. It was so striking, I had to write it down:
Rules for Understanding and Surviving an Epidemic:
- Nothing is under control
- They don’t know what they are doing
- You are on your own.
I recently shared with him an article describing a confluence of data in the UK re COVID and the changing of the seasons, etc.
His response:
There will always be another wave of covid. None of which will be as bad as any of the preceding. I’ve pretty much reduced (mentally) the risks of covid to the risks of influenza and plan on treating each the same. And I don’t plan on making the wearing of masks a regular thing any more. However, getting on public transport, going to a concert, i.e., close quarters, I will probably treat those kinds of things as too high risk in the middle of a wave and take precautions.
This is someone who needed to travel (by plane) later on in 2020, and was adamant he would be wearing a mask, adding that most people don’t know how to wear a mask correctly.
Conversations with him over the years have been really informative. And yet it’s made me realize just how hopelessly lacking I am in the training and experience to be able to grok the things he does. General medicine being one area. But also the likes of statistics, and things such as how/why it’s not important to have 100% immunization, and how our brains aren’t wired to easily understand what exponential growth means in practice. He’s only too happy to reference studies; not just a specific one that supports his opinion, but looking up all the studies on the subject and working out whether they strongly support one position or a other, adding that if it’s roughly 50/50, then the conclusion is there’s no compelling evidence either way. This man loves poring over studies.
And to your point, he has made general comments indicating a lack of faith in humanity, not to mention some others in his profession.
Not for nothing, my wife and I got our annual flu shots last weekend.
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Go back to Facebook with this garbage
These days the coronavirus isn’t really severe anymore right? Not saying that research should be stopped, but wondering if those who were going to die due to coronavirus sir to other health complications in combination with COVID probably already did die, which would be a majority of the deaths. (Yes, it is quite brutal but I believe this is true). These days even masks are not worn.
Every COVID variant has the possibility to be more transmissible and more deadly. Taking this with the cavalier attitude you want to is ridiculous. You sound like the “it’s just the flu” people, who ignore the fact that 50 million people died of the flu in 1918.
COVID needs funding because COVID is even more serious. We don’t know how to treat it as well as we do influenza, which is well-studied and nowhere near as novel.
So it doesn’t matter if it isn’t severe right now. The potential is not worth taking lightly.
SARS-CoV-2 isn’t really any less severe, if anything the newer variants are more aggressive, but in a way that’s a good thing. The original strain had a particularly long incubation period, meaning an infectious person could do a lot of social mixing before the first symptoms appeared, and the same for all the people they came in contact with, leading to an explosion in cases that could overwhelm healthcare systems. There were varying reports of two weeks all the way up to a month.
Now, between more aggressive strains, and pre-existing antibodies from vaccines and/or prior exposure (even if “outdated”) the immune response kicks in much faster and people know they have it much sooner and there’s less opportunities for spread (even if some assholes don’t care and mix anyway). That combined with awareness of the virus and better treatment for the manageable number of people who get seriously ill means society is able to cope much better while “returning to normality”
Still sucks for individuals who get severe cases even now.Don’t forget about that often ignored long COVID possibility either. The research is suggesting that each time you get COVID your chances of having more issues down the road go up. I don’t know if the risk is increased that much yet, but it’s a worrying trend that it seems mainstream media have stopped reporting on (probably because the economies needed people to get back to work).
Whether you think COVID isn’t that bad anymore or not, it’s sucks to get it. I would 100% take a shot every year instead of the flu shot if it meant I wasn’t bedridden for weeks
Who fucking cares. I’m so tired of the coronavirus. I got the first vaccine, and all 3 boosters. Plus I caught corona. Twice. I don’t fucking care any more. Let’s talk about housing. Let’s talk about minimum wage. Let’s talk about healthcare. I’d take dental care and optical at this point.
Huh. So you’re saying all my sister, father-in-law, sister-in-law, brother-in-law, and cousins have to do to get over their various long COVID symptoms is declare they’re tired of it? Holy shit, I’m calling them all right away!
Ugh, if only we knew we could have fixed it years ago by saying we’re tired of it. That would have saved a lot of hassle.
Research into vaccines doesn’t preclude any of those conversations and coronavirus still uses up lots of health resources. Better vaccines for new variants would help healthcare in general.
So, I guess you don’t know how viruses work? Well they mutate really fast. So you constantly have to make new vaccines to deal with the new variants. See, if you had known this about viruses. Then you would have known from the beginning that new vaccines at least every year would be part of the deal, and then this wouldn’t be news at all.
I think everyone should get their vaccine if they can afford it. After all in America flu vaccines cost money, and I guarantee these new COVID vaccines won’t be free. I mean at some point these pharmaceutical companies have to make money right?
That’s why I’m tired of it. I want the vaccine. Hell, I want treatment for TMJ. But if you can’t afford it. All the cool new vaccines in the world won’t matter.
They said it late in the pandemic too: we may be tired of that virus but unfortunately it doesn’t care and it is not done with us.
Oh, I know. Is this vaccine going to be free? I would like the new vaccine. Like, I’m not an anti-vaxxer. But I literally just had to take out a loan to get a tooth filled. How much will this vaccine cost? Because like you said. This virus isn’t done with us. It never will be. How much are the yearly vaccines going to cost Americans?
“I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but am going to post multiple comments saying we shouldn’t keep making new vaccines because they would cost a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of US spending.”
Good for you bud and so happy that you don’t give a shit anymore! So sorry that you can’t seem to understand that a virus that kills people other than you is a bad thing.
Oh, I think you misunderstood. First off i think everyone should get vaccinated. Like, I would like to get the new vaccine. But how long are these vaccines going to be free in America? After all the flu vaccine isn’t free. I can’t afford one of those. Shingles vaccine isn’t free. I can’t afford that either, and I’ve had shingles. It fucken hurts.
If you even halfway paid attention in grade school science, or realized that a new flu virus is rolled out every year to combat the new strains. You knew this is how the vaccine situation was going to work. If you knew from the beginning that this is how vaccines work. Well, it’s not exactly news is it?
Meanwhile my rent doubled in 3 years. I literally just took out a loan to get a tooth filled. I live everyday in pain from TMJ.
Ok. And?
I don’t care about it, so that means we shouldn’t focus on it anymore!
I didn’t say that we shouldn’t focus on it. But here’s a question for ya. How much is this new vaccine going to cost Americans? I mean the same people that charge ridiculous amounts of money for insulin aren’t going to give away vaccines right? Is the US government going to pay for these vaccines for everyone? All the vaccines in the world do no good if people can’t afford them.
You tired, but the virus doesn’t
If we all sit completely still maybe the virus will just pass over us. We could commemorate that day and turn it into a holiday and call it “Overpass” or something.
Aw honey.
Oh you mean to tell me that the first 6 needles they offered up did absolutely nothing for the long run? Guess we’ll just toss another 6 needles into everyone for this type of Covid too. Wonder how quickly the whole population has long term health problems due to that.
Lemme guess… you have a degree in immunology from trump university
Close. It was the school of hard knocks. Equally shitty.
Nobody got 6 doses, so you’re already strawmanning.
Second, the original vaccine was highly effective against original Covid. Then it mutated so a booster was necessary, and that was dramatically effective in the long run. Deaths fell. Hospitalizations fell. Long Covid fell. The change in those factors is what allowed life to resume.
Antivaxxers are a shitplague.
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Wonder how quickly the whole population has long term health problems due to that.
I’d prefer avoiding to contribute to the worst long term health problem. Death.
Get your vaccines people.
It’ll continue to be better than the long term health problems caused by actual Covid infections.
This is not going to be different from the annual flu vaccine. None of this is unusual or surprising. Get your shots, folks.
Hey man, it’s your life, but I wouldn’t go advertising to the world if I was uneducated and gullible
Turns out the way to approach problems changes as the problem changes. Who knew?
And what’s your scientific basis for thinking that?
Creationism isn’t a good look.
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