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- politics@kbin.social
Former President Trump’s decision to skip the first Republican presidential primary debate is fueling Republican angst that his rivals will have little opportunity to catch up to him in the polls.
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“We let this monster of our own creation rage out of control for 8 years, and he’s still out of control!”
Edit: Also, the Party that tried to enable him to short circuit the democratic process and attempt a violent coup is suddenly upset… that he’s not following the democratic process. :(
“We tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!”
He who rides the tiger can never dismount.
Oooo I like this one! Putting that one in the quote bank.
He who lets the tiger mount them…
I think this is the real issue here, jfc.
A Des Moines Register/NBC News/Mediacom poll of likely Republican caucus voters released Monday found that Trump’s lead over DeSantis has grown by 5 points since his indictment in Georgia last week on 13 criminal charges related to trying to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the state.
His approval went UP after the indictment. This is absolutely insane and only shows how hopeless US politics has become. How do you roll that division back? Can you even roll it back if everybody wanted to? This cat is out of the bag and I don’t see it going back in there any time soon.
The only hope I’ve left is the division of the GOP itself. Let the extremists go somewhere else politically and it’ll hopefully lead to a more, what is the word again, fact based approach of politics when the extremists can be ignored because you don’t have to appease them.
Why is all U.S. politics hopeless because of what’s happening inside the losing party?
The dems are far from perfect, but their side is much less “hopeless” as you put it.
Because the Republicans currently have the support of something like 20% more of the population than the NAZIs did when they seized power.
Remember, unlike folks who believe in democracy, tyrants don’t need a majority to win.
This is an extremely dangerous time for liberty in the US, and complacent attitudes like yours are only increasing the danger.
The rebulicans have plenty of politicians in power besides the president. As long as the voters favour trump they’ll need to appease them to get into the other houses.
In an ideal world it will split there vote allowing massive dem gains. But that hasn’t happened yet.
Mainstream “normal” republicans won’t actually not vote republican. They know that their only hope of maintaining some power is to continue to work with the batshit crazy regressives.
They got in bed with these people via the Southern Strategy, and they’ve only recently started making noises like they’re uncomfortable. Once they’re in the booth, though, they will still vote straight ticket.
I expect the Mitt Romney/Chris Christie wing to do a hostile take over of the Libertarian Party and abandon the GOP lable to the Trump wing.
It would be easier to take over a party that’s already on all state ballots then create a new one from the ground up.
Honestly it’s just as easy as the media deciding they want us all to be friends again.
That’s legit all it takes.
If left and right wing media outlets would just start an initiative to bring the country together, everyone would fall in line. People only think what they are told to think.
The issue is that these corporations want money, and happiness doesn’t make money.
Lots of zombies out there.
Hitler became dictator only after he was sent and got out of jail. Lula in Brazil more recently was sent to jail and then got out and won a presidential election.
The Justice system coming after you feeds the Trumper’s belief that the system is against him. Therefore he is anti-establishment therefore they must vote for him because there is a very strong anti-establishment movement right now.
It’s why I think it was a very dangerous and potentially foolish decision to bring charges against him. We may be starting a chain of events that will get out of control.
You’re right, we should just let Trump break as many laws as he wants because we are scared of his yokel supporters. That would be way better.
I don’t think they are suggesting he should be allowed to break laws, but acknowledging the challenge the accountability brings with it.
The error with Hitler wasn’t sending him to prison, it was letting him out again after only a few months.
I think there is a bit of cherry picking in this. I don’t think you’re wrong that the charges will rile up his supporters, but plenty of dictators have taken power without going to jail.
The problem was already there, charges or not we were going to have to deal with a very violent mob, at least with charges filed we stand up for the moral value that all people (should be) are equal under the law.
Just never let the fuck head out and problem solved.
Therefore he is anti-establishment
Being a crime lord does not make anyone “anti-establishment”. Bernie Sanders says Treason Trump is the most corrupt president in history. What matters is not a meaningless abstract word but whether the billionaire elites support your policies, and they love Treason Trump’s tax cuts for the rich.
Like the name. Was just thinking of the wonderful comedian last night.
He’s not part of the party and never was. They let him come in and take over. It’s time for them to really up their language and actions against Trump rather than coddling him and his followers out of fear.
Trump is 100% the Republican party of today. Maybe you could say he was an outsider in 2015 having little political experience but he is now the face of the party. He is leading in Iowa by 23 points and in national polls by an average of 37 points. Republicans courted the MAGA base for a long time and now that they have control of the party. The Republican party can no more excise Trump and his base than one could cut out their own heart and remain whole.
Trump is a truer conservative than any Republican before him.
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Fantastic video from them as always. Love it when they dive into sources like this, gives very little room for conservatives to lie about the foundation of their ideology.
They didn’t let him come in and take over. There were 12 people running for the Republican primary in 2016, and that split the vote so much that Trump was able to get a plurality in most states. If it had been two or three candidates Trump may not have been able to win.
This is another example of how leniency for those who would make themselves king eventually leads to dictatorship. See you in another 5 years for the civil war.
See you in another 5 years for the civil war.
I worry that you’re being optimistic
Promise? Maybe this time we can learn to take away their toys after they get sent home crying.
Institutionalized racism, misogyny, homophobia, and white Christian separatism as party platform. No matter how “conservative” Republicans claimed to be, The Southern Strategy was the core value and singular driving force for the past 60 years. MAGA isn’t a symptom, it’s result
It’s almost like you shouldn’t have put your eggs all in one basket.
To the surprise of absolutely no one.
If the GOP actually does something, the only thing they can would be to kick him out of the GOP. However, if they do that, Trump will most likely form his own political party, and start attracting senators, governors, and house members to switch to his new party to give it legitimately.
I have been saying and I will keep on saying this, Trump is the modern day Hitler.
Clown show.
The only way to discourage this behavior is to help the other candidates make their pitch, which has to be why they are a better choice than Trump.
This should be how it works, the entire reason for the debate is that the attendees benefit from the attention.
But will conservatives even watch a debate that Trump isn’t attending?
