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    It’s stealing work in a way that functionally launders it

    Actually in the age of basically permanent copyrigt, this brings at least some balance

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      You would have an argument if it wasn’t the exact same corporations protecting themselves with copyright abuse that are mostly benefiting from this new system. 

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            I’m not sure what you mean. FOSS generative image models are already better than the corpo paid for ones, and it isn’t even close. They’re more flexible and have way more features and tools than what you can get out of a discord bot or cloud computing subscription.

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              You keep narrowing the scope of the discussion.

              The combined corporate investment and interest in LLM‘s massively dwarfs what individuals are currently capable of doing. Yes, individuals can participate. Yes, sometimes it is better results. But to act like we have primary ownership of the situation, which is what you are heavily implying, is kind of ridiculous.  The playing field simply isn’t level and, if things don’t change, we will be the ones left holding the bag when it comes to social, cultural, and financial cost.

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                Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think I can see why your side, but correct me if I misunderstood.

                I don’t think we need primary ownership here. This site doesn’t have primary ownership in the social media market, yet it benefits users. Having our own spaces and tools is always something worth fighting for. Implying we need “primary ownership” is a straw man and emotional language like “massively”, “ridiculous”, and “left holding the bag” can harm this conversation. This is a false dilemma between two extremes: either individuals have primary ownership, or we have no control.

                You also downplay the work of the vibrant community of researchers, developers, activists, and artists who are working on FOSS software and models for anyone to use. It isn’t individuals merely participating, it’s a worldwide network working for the public, often times leading research and development, for free.

                One thing I’m certain of is that no that one can put a lid on this. What we can do is make it available, effective, and affordable to the public. Mega-corps will have their own models, no matter the cost. Just like the web, personal computers, and smartphones were made by big corporations or governments, we were the ones who turned them into something that enables social mobility, creativity, communication, and collaboration. It got to the point they tried jumping on our trends.

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        The corporations already have all the data, users literally gave it to them by uploading it. Open source only has scrapped data. If you start regulating, you kill open source but the big players will literally just shrug it off.

        Traditional artists already lost. It sucks but now we get to find out if the winner is all of society or only just Adobe and Shutterstock.