That whole video, and the follow-up, were incredible. I used to trust LTT quite a bit, but after the video, I’ve just chunks of respect for LTT. Dunno if i can ever trust them.
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I work in the tech industry. I work for an A tier company that makes servers, storage and more. I cannot imagine fucking up a benchmark/performance characterisation chart THIS badly even for an internal presentation.
I have spent hours double checking and re-running tests to ensure I’m getting the right numbers.
And to see a channel as big as LTT goofing up numbers so badly, which have the potential to affect thousands of purchasing decisions, i can’t even.
We also work with vendors, who sometimes send hardware prototypes. And we can never be THIS unprofessional to them.
I will say this, and some may consider this my hot take; I feel like Linus needs to step back from responding to community feedback as well. I get that it’s his company and he probably feels responsibility to respond, but he does not respond well to criticism. The biggest tell on how his employees feel was Luke’s face during the video. It was obvious even without him saying anything that he knew the hot take response was not going to turn out well. These situations are part of being a CEO not an owner and Linus needs to show that he trusts the new CEO enough to respond accordingly. Linus continues to handle this problem in the exact wrong manner when he shouldn’t be handling it at all m
Luke’s face during the video.
Man I felt so bad for him. I think he should’ve spoken up and called Linus out.
Feels like the ADHD (and maybe autism) play a good part in that.
My personal reviews from the school days were often like that: Not responding well to criticism.Many assumptions, many ways but only a few will get it all back on track to being a trustworthy source.
And like you said: Linus needs to step back from being community feedback (lwt that the community manager handle) and let WAN show be a primarily tech talk focused live show with a community Q/A. Maybe let the CEO be a regular (once every X weeks) so community can give him targeted questions and let the other weeks be about the company/Linus/Luke/Dan and just a normal Q and A without the business talk.If his disabilities is a hindrance to him being effective in his role at the company it is time to change roles.
A disability does not excuse this kind of behavior.
I wouldnt call it a disability as more of a handicap.
It’s just that the communication may be different and that may be the reason he doubles down.
I am by no means a psychotherapist so my opinion can should be taken as an atom of salt at best.Fyi disability and handicap are interchangeable in this context.
Thanks for the information (sometimes I hate language).
Wasn’t aware of it being the same in english nor my native language. You never stop learning, right?That’s a great attitude to have my man!
Yeah, handicapped is the supposedly “polite” way to say disabled, but me and every other disabled person I’ve really talked to about it finds it rather patronizing tbh.
As someone who probably has undiagnosed ADHD/neurodivergence (based off first hand accounts from other people) I will agree.
I talk from personal experience. Many have said, that I supposedly retreat into my “snail house” when uncomfortable or (I assume) feel threatened in my position and become defensive instead of open to the criticism.
Maybe this trait is more common around ADHD/autism folks?
But well, assuming will not change anything and I am no psychotherapist…
Seems Linus is in love with money now.
Always has been
Exactly. How do you think it got to this point? “Growing pains” aka stretching yourself beyond your means to take more money
What video? I’m out of the loop
I never really trusted them. They were the wacky tech entertainment channel, which was fun! But their actual benchmarking has always been a mess unfortunately.
Same. Has LTT responded yet?
Linus made a post on LTTForums, but LMG/LTT, as a company, has yet to respond.
Update: Video up on LTT channel.
LTT is like Fox News - it may come off as statistical analysis of technology but it’s really just there for entertainment purposes. They may call themselves fair and balanced but they offer favorable reviews to sponsors.
Am I the only one who thinks this is a little overblown? After reading all these comments I finally got around to watching the video and was honestly pretty underwhelmed and found the GN guy a little over dramatic in his framing and language of the issue.
I’m not claiming he’s doing this whole thing for attention or clout. But yeah, not seeing anything world shaking or enough to change my views on much of anything.
I think the points Steve highlighted were pretty spot on. Over the past few years I’ve continually felt an “off” vibe from LTTs videos and now I know what it is, it’s the constant corrections and edits on the content. I have to actually actively watch every second to keep an eye out for corrections and it’s just not something that should be happening if they were taking their time creating content.
GN dude literally just stated facts, with the evidence.
And that too after an lmg video called them out by name. The original video literally had the guy saying that lmg was better than others like GN or hardware unboxed.
They didn’t have to do it. Especially when there are multiple points of data pointing to their glaring inaccuracies.
It depends if you spend money on the information LMG provide, or in the case of billet, use them to get an honest review.
He absolutely did it for clout. He currently has more traffic than he had in months. Talking about how awkward and uncomfortable the whole thing is, yet smiling through the whole video.
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The real question is, given how he overdramatised these issues now, how much of the previous issues must have been him talking up molehills to mountains.
Essentially, pointing out mistakes in tech YouTuber videos is not a challenge. They are everywhere. Whenever GN goes into details of electronic engineering I want to kill myself just as much as when Linus does anything related to Linux, or Jay does … well, anything really. I mean, GN clearly demonstrated in this very video that he doesn’t even know what IP is.
So the only real issue is that whole Billet thing. They themselves said they only asked for compensation on the 10th and since they didn’t get a reply within a day they used the weekend to help Steve with his hit piece? I don’t know what they think they are doing, but they are radioactive now. Who in their right mind is going to review their stuff if there’s the possibility that they will give a competitor private emails to construct a hit piece like this. They are an incalculable business risk now and ultimately they need reviewers more than the other way around.
That all being said, the really disgusting stuff is what apparently happened to Madison. That’s something a company and their leadership needs to be held accountable for. Not this other petty shit.
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Honestly it’s the emotional language choice he used that put me off. That’s when is started to strike me as a bit disingenuous. But motivations aside, so good points were made.
Is Gamers Nexus finally getting the respect they deserve?
Finally? He’s been tech jesus for years.
He was born Tech Jesus.
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Everyone respects Steve and his team.
They also fall asleep during his videos.
Too large, corporate burdens. Ltt needs to slow down. Quantity over quality not cool.
"We may be pumping out trash, but at least the trash pumps are running strong with huge throughput. We’re ℙℝ𝕆𝔻𝕌ℂ𝕋𝕀𝕍𝔼!
Yes I think this was the main point that Steve kept coming back too. Moving too fast. And not focusing on accuracy and quality. LTT realistically has always been much more about entertainment. And I still watch them for that. Gamers Nexus Etc has always been where you go if you want the straight dry news and facts with as little opinion thrown in as possible.
Linus has a vision of what he wants to become. And I am there for it. There’s undeniable possibility and niche for what they want to do. But it relies on being methodical, accurate, and focused. Several things they’ve been owning themselves on for a while. It can be fixed. But I think George Harrison put it best.
It’s gonna take patience and time, mmm To do it, to do it, to do it, to do it, to do it To do it right
I honestly never got his channel. Does Linus actually have a tech/engineering background which makes him an authority on this stuff? Watching his videos leads me to believe that he doesn’t. He gets basic shit wrong way too often.
Linus is both knowledgable and a good entertainer. The problem is he’s grown from a casual reviewer to running a 100+ employee business, pumping out multiple videos a week with his face on it - He simply cannot possibly know anything about the product besides what’s on the script.
When he is interested in something, it really shows. The way he talks about the LTT Screwdriver or the Framework laptop for example almost never even has a correction, let alone errors. Linus just has no ability to upscale that quality.
I think it’s even more what GN has highlighted: They try to go from entertainment first to hard facts and data. It’s very clear that they have not thought this through completely.
Yes, some of their testing solutions are very sophisticated, but there are definitely problems on the management side of things. This seems very much like a structural problem. Communications goes horribly wrong in multiple ways, including errors not being corrected properly. Errors appear very frequently and the employees themselves question the quality of their videos.
Linus himself claimed that he had to improvise a workshop with employees, because they lacked training for what they were supposed to do. Furthermore that he substantially changed things on the fly, because they were garbage from his POV. All of this indicates bad management, but not learning from mistakes and making the exact same ones again proves it.
This is horseshit, no offense; Linus straight up says he’s not interested in doing it right as it’s cost $1-500… Which is nothing to them.
He’s a sales sleeze semi-technical media nerd that is at best a good entertainer.
He chooses not to enforce quality.
LTT is entertainment. Not news or credibly fact based.
Yeah, the channel was great many years ago. Basically the same time they moved to the warehouse building is when it went downhill, and fast. They started pumping out more lower quality videos, and it was nearly all covered in click bait. They also created the side channel where they tried to make funny content. That’s when I unsubscribed. I don’t know if that’s all still the same, but they clearly got caught up in trying to expand and following youtube trends that they forgot what they were good at.
He’s does not have a technical background and he’s said as much, gaming and computers are just a passion for him.
He’s an entertainer, not an authority. But he speaks so passionately it’s easy for a non-technical person to believe he’s an authority.
The outlandish videos they do are pretty entertaining, I don’t see how they’re going to succeed as a data driven review channel given Linus’ temperament. Like compare them to something like rtings and it’s really night and day
I don’t see how they’re going to succeed as a data driven review channel
Well he is throwing probably tens of thousands of dollars of people and equipment at a whole lab for more efficient and accurate testing. So there’s that.
Linus himself has no engineering background, but his team has many engineers. They do not make mistakes for lack of knowledge. What they need is more quality control over their videos
He was a college dropout sales rep at NCIX, the equivalent of any random dude working at Microcenter, who moonlighted at making low effort youtube videos. His 15+ years of “experience” are him figuring out literally everything as he went.
He’s more knowledgeable than the average layman, but he’s a total fucking amateur at everything he does compared to the actual experts, often including his own employees who he frequently ignores or talks over.
I think Linus is a relatively decent, somewhat funny guy, honestly. But he’s not fit for his roles besides being an on camera personality.
LTT is just an infomercial
Correct, answer. It’s also a platform for Linus to stroke his ego.
It used to be an unboxing channel.
And before that, he was the NCIX guy that did all the videos for their site.
He doesn’t. He’s just being a computer technician for as long as he has worked.
Watching his videos leads me to believe that he doesn’t.
Watching his videos leads me to believe that he does, the random knowledge drops he has about hardware and the deeper levels of the software stack convince me of that.
Even if he is parroting knowledge he’s getting from his engineers, and I don’t think he is, he still sounds very knowledgable. I think everyone’s simply jumping on a hate bandwagon for the fun of it.
Yeah… Anyone who thinks Linus doesn’t know much about computers is straight up wrong. He’s not an engineer but he doesn’t claim to be. Personally I don’t watch LTT for the hard data…that’s what NG is for. I also like Paul’s Hardware for general product reviews.
But with all that said, I do kind of like that this is blowing up and especially so after reading LTT’s response. Linus has done some questionable things and they always get swept under the rug…despite the arrogant responses he always gives. He deserves most the anger being directed at him because the Billet thing is the worst one yet
No he was basically a marketing guy
I couldn’t believe the story about the water block.
“we did what we did because no matter what the temps are, we thought it was so expensive that none of our viewers should come away from this video wanting to buy it”
I know right? Have they even met the sort of people who build computers? I could buy a sports car at my age, but decided to build a PC and save $20 instead.
He’s built a $100,000 gaming desk in the past year, as if he couldn’t see a market for an expensive cooler block.
Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed are the only channels I would watch for new PC part reviews. They don’t hide or glance over any details for the sake of entertainment and your attention. If I’m spending $700+ on a product I want to know exactly what I’m getting, Not a quick rundown that skips over details that could be potential deal breakers. Glad to see them get the attention they deserve after all this controversy.
Just like you said. I only watch gn before purchases. They’re so damn dry and boring I just skip it wholly and fully otherwise.
That’s understandable. I find them genuinely entertaining, Especially their presentation coverage videos but their long-winded style isn’t for everyone. I just prefer in-depth content.
Yeah their news videos has great content…
Its just… a bit boring to listen to
I watch Jayztwocents because the channel is not a specific this is good and bad.
For reviews sure, for entertainment? Sets me to sleep tbh
For me ltt is entertainment. I personally think they should pivot away from hardware reviews and do just do crazy projects, show cases of really ground breaking tech, and engineering type stuff like they have been. Hardware reviews kind of boring not the reason I watch ltt. It’s really is like the topgrear of pc hardware imo.
I mean they invested a ton into lab equipment, it’d be silly not to use it. What needs to happen is a clear split between entertainment and data-focussed content with data getting the time they need to get things right and entertainment the budget they need to make things crazy. Noone particularly cares about data accuracy when you’re strapping a 1m diametre industrial fan to a PC case or crawl through bramble bushes to run a network cable but once you get bar charts involved you better dot your 'i’s. Content that is both, e.g. an entertaining product review, needs the budget of both.
Pretty much this, nothing on what he’s saying, but listening to Steve talk at length is tedious. The Internet is doing its Internet thing when people get too big and make a mistake, but there’s no way people are tuning into Gamer’s Nexus for entertainment.
Anyone can make a mistake, mistakes can be a good way to learn provided the damage is not too severe. It is not making a mistake or two that is the issue, it is the egregious way he puts making money at a higher value than correcting that mistake while other pay the cost. He has a drive to publish content even when he knows it has errors in it. He literally published a video that not only gave a review on a product fitted to the wrong part, but then went on to screw that company further by selling the prototype for click bait.
GN is not about entertainment; it is about getting good information on tech. Be a comedian as much as you like, but if your bread and butter is about giving a review, then at least make that review plausible. It is not a big ask.
See, this is all just an overly emotional / reactionary read to me. Right now everyone is in a echo chamber, it’s really odd from the outside looking in with everyone getting so worked up like this is the ulitmate sin. Steve is whipping everyone up into a hyperactive state for what endgame? I’m interested in what happens ultimately, but I’d be surprised if LTT does anything but continue to grow, and get better.
Funny thing is that Steve literally said in the beginning of his video that there would be people like you in the comments. Those who only see this as Internet drama. He goes on to explain why what Linus is doing is not just drama but in fact harmful to the community, other content creators, and potentially any company that submits a product to them for review. In my opinion he’s absolutely right and if you can watch 45 minutes of him talking you’ll probably walk away agreeing with him.
I’m all caught up, and that’s my conclusion. This is a business with a lot of moving parts. What is the implication in all this? That Linus is incompetent, harmful, malicious, greedy? It’s all dumb drama, and I’m pretty disappointed in a lot of people all around in the way it was handled.
I am a very pragmatic person. Credit should always go where credit is due, especially if there was the work put in to get the result. LMG are not putting in the work, they are grifting at the expense of others who are making an effort. More so, LMG are adamant that they can do no wrong. He has people working for him who can give the desired result, but they are hampered by the greedy cash grab.
GN are not the only ones that have issues with LMG. Listen to the comments from hardware unboxed regarding their subscriber base and the comments made to them in streams. I don’t watch LTT, so I do not know how far back this goes, but then where does it become too much?
Should he be allowed to ruin start ups like he did? Me personally, I would say not at all.
He is more than happy to trash something for being bad, shouldn’t he also expect the same experience in return?
GN made a follow up to the shady comments Linus made regarding this. GN have stated they will make no further comments on this. The ball is clearly in the court of LMG. The common sense thing to do would be to tighten up on the practises. Double down on being right first time. Be prepared to pull videos that show LMG in a bad light. It is pretty obvious from the reactions in here that to not take heed and ignore this, then he will be heading into a spiral dive.
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After the sewer explosion at LMG today I truly felt Gamer Jesus is really coming forth as a messiah.
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Tech nerd Jesus has arrived.
Always has been.
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Tech Jesus for data. LTT for infotainment.
