• Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Two Jews meet on the U-Bahn in 1935. One is reading a Nazi newspaper. His friend asks him “how can you read those outrageous lies about us?!” He replies “If I read a real newspaper, its persecution this and deportation that. But in this paper? We own all the banks, the movies, the government!”

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      Classic but red flag (lol) conspiracy theory vibes in this context. Jewish people owning China or vice versa? Either way fits more in line with qanonists

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        God could the point go over your head harder. That user wasn’t engaging in a conspiracy theory that Jews on all the banks movies and government, they were comparing your apparent belief that the Chinese government controls the American government to those antisemitic conspiracy theories.

        Also zero points in an argument with a bunch of people who can’t downvote farquaad-point

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          Whooooosh lol 😉

          Would someone actually create a “your apparent belief” in their mind from that

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              There’s actually a looong leap from the known China-sponsored politicians to antisemitic cabal conspiracy theories

              • I think that in 30 years you’ll be considered the anti-Semite of this age, honestly. Sartre once famously claimed something like “if the Nazi didn’t have the jew, they would have created him.”

                Sartre, for all his faults, understood that fascism always needed the external and periphery, whether defined geographically or ethnically, in order to sustain itself through expropriation. Who this was doesn’t matter as much as that this group is defined as having more than it deserves for bad reasons and is therefore justifiable as a victim of violent expropriation. The values represented have become more progressive™ in that you believe China owns American representatives in order to mistreat Muslims or something. But materially it’s identical to “Judeo-Bolshevik” antisemitism

                Here’s a bite-sized analysis from a guy who’s pretty good at this:

                https://twitter.com/RodericDay/status/1495054681579692035?t=gmJyzLx5go9hZWcFJkt5fw&s=19

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                  I remember fascists have been calling antifascists fascists for a long time but “the anti-Semite of this age” is definitely one of the most despicably hateful derogatory things I’ve seen in a while.

                  Edit: no, I do not open links from Musk’s alt-right-landia

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                    Actually, I first posted only hog but I’ll give you 1 more comment. Before I decide I’m wasting time.

                    How do you understand the anti-Semitism that defined 1917(?)-1945 fascism? How did this phenomenon arise and what interests were represented by the actions that these beliefs supported? Don’t just give me the Ur-fascism definition, or some extra-simplified version (palingenetic ultranationalism) of this unless you can really describe WHY it arises. I wanna know the why behind the entire process, because, like is claimed in the link I sent, anti-Semitism was defined as explicitly different from normal hatred of Jews/judeophobia which unfortunately was around at that time.

                    But if it seems you didn’t read the 2 minutes of screenshots in the link I sent, I will just post hog to you from that point lol