History proves that you are correct, considering the billions in fines for mis-leading advertisement and concealing information about product safety.
But some on here call those uncomfortable facts misinformation and think doubting big pharma is conservative and grounds to plead for censorship for some reason that I still don’t understand.
they literally fabricate stories
As far as I am aware, they have not lost a lawsuit going after publishers who have printed such accusations. Can you point me to one of their fabrications you allege?
Are you saying the DOD report they talk about is fake?
you have lost all credibility by linking to Project Veritas
I personally like to keep things about the information/data and not engage in guilt by association, or “everyone knows” types of arguments. That doesn’t help bring clarity. I’m arguing in good faith and found it revealing that internal DOD report acknowledges what admin is denying so vehmently in their push for more power over us by the government.
I expose myself to broad specturm of information and don’t dismiss things simply because of the messenger.
This is true. I was incorrect. I guess my point is that it’s the first time humans are doing it to humans.
[edit] Further clarification: First time we are selecting/designing mRNA vs an occurance in nature.
Thankfully Supreme Court struck down the employeer mandates for private companies.
I think anyone who wants the vax should get it and anyone who doesn’t shouldn’t be forced to do it.
We should embrace the vaccine AND early treatment, not shove a one size fits all medical strategy down everyones throughts.
I appreciate your considered response.
I agree that the “elites” are not fully in control, but by god are they trying. I don’t trust this massive gov/corporate alliance that is pushing something under the threat of talking away rights and creating second class citizens. It went from 95% effective to 30 someting, from 1 shot to 1 jab to 2 to 3, from break-through cases to finally admitting the efficacy wanes and vax does not stop the spread. Mandates are not justified.
Now a new DOD internal report from a year ago recognizes the various early treatments and the possibility of lab-leak. Even that it’s a POSSIBILITY should have everyone scrambling to determine what happened to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Instead, the leadership publicly calls it a “conspiracy-theory” but privately talks about it in a more somber way.
(I hope I don’t trigger to many ppl by linking to project veritas, but please consider the message and documents. I link so you don’t just need to take my word for it: https://www.projectveritas.com/news/military-documents-about-gain-of-function-contradict-fauci-testimony-under/)
Pandemic policy of sending ppl home until symptoms worsen vs giving Ivermectin or Fluvoxomine or monoclonol anti-bodies to help slow viral replication. Choosing mandates instead of public health messaging presenting all the real options and risks so that ppl can make up their own minds. Denying ppl medications, like Ivermectin, on the WHO list of essential drugs, with over 40 years of use in humans with an excellent safety record. Why?
Then there is the censorship. The coordinated messaging of: misinformation, anti-vax, conspiracy-theory, that language is harmful! It’s so patronizing, as if though ppl can’t think for themselves, they need corporate overloards to curate ideas that can be considered. And they censor experts in the field of virology, congressional testimony, talking about early treatment.
Lab leak was a bat s$%t crazy conspiracy theory… then the Eco Health alliance grant from NIH and the specifics came out… maybe not so crazy after all. Should it be censored? What if it is true that some beurocrats went against all the warnings and funded this dangerous research and MAYBE led to this pandemic? Shouldn’t we be talking about that?
If there has ever been evidence of elite coordination across media, social media, gov and corporations, public social control propaganda strategies, this is the starkest example of it, what we are currently living through
Anyway… I’m just concerned. I enjoy the freedom I have and want to make sure every American (ideally every human) has the right to choose for themselves: What they can say (within reason), what ideas they can consider, what medications they take, where they go, whether or not they want to put a mask on their kids, etc…
I don’t trust this corporate/gov alliance that has brought us endless war, terrible healthcare and education, and I don’t want to give them more power.
There are elites, and they are coordinating.
You may ask, but I don’t disclose personal medical information as a rule. Why do you ask?
Disease is scary. Pandemics are scary. I understand the fear. But corporate media is cranking it up, from president Biden talking about a winter of death, to the death counters… slowly alot of lies are being uncovered… counting hospitalized WITH covid vs FROM covid, Pfizer ceo admitting vax don’t work (to sell the new one of course)
If you listen to Hitler’s rhetoric that whipped up the Germans to dehumanize their Jewish neighbors, it had a lot to do with disease, and Goebbels talks alot about using fear to control a population. It’s why Mass formation Psychoses is being talked about now
the pro-vax / anti-vax dichotomy is just the ruling elite engineering classic divide and conquer, manipulating us at any opportunity to attack each other so we don’t see the massive transfer of wealth into the pockets of transnational corporations
I mean just look at this thread. A comment telling me to cough myself to death and calling me a rat (Echoes of Hitler’s anti-jew rhetoric) for not trusting massive corporations that have been fined BILLIONS for lying about their products to us in the past has several up votes. That level of dehumanization/rage/hatred is the goal of a massive propaganda machine pointed at us right now.
So I disagree that society has agreed to this. This is a manufactured perception that the majority blindly trust the Corporate/Gov alliance. It is not real. The evidence is in that they have to censor. Because the truth can shatter the illusion they are constructing.
They censor doctors, congressional testimony, saying only they ARE Truth and Science and questioning them is not allowed. They know they are the minority which is why they seed that censorious desire in those who are easily manipulated. “Don’t let them talk! Their words are dangerous and harmful! Anti-vaxxer! Misinformation!”
They amplify the fear, reminding us at every turn that the threat is in the air we breath and they are using it to take away our rights and turn us against one another.
That’s why I’m marching on 1/23
My point is this is the first time we are using mRNA to program our cells to produce spike. Previous vaccines took the entire virus either attenuated or dead to stimulate the immune response.
This is the first time we are using an mRNA snippet to program our cells to make a specific protein.
So no, factually you are incorrect. This is not “exactly” how viruses work.
Risk management aside, it’s an amazing technology. We are biologically programming human cells.
imagine being so ignorant you think that a vaccine is a 100% catch all.
I agree. That was very ignorant of the director of the CDC and US Pres Biden to say it prevents infection to justify the initial push for mandates.
On an unrelated side note: I think the mRNA technology is freaking cool and I hope we can put it to more good use in the future.
A thing that worries me about it is that it is using your cell to express the spike protein. Effectively, “you” are making something to be attacked by your immune system as “other”.
Alot of the adverse effects show that the body is attacking itself, as is typical with autoimmune issues, like arthritis.
The immune system being a complex system, it just seems a reckless to push forward with this in all age groups with only just over a year of safety data with humans.
I hope everything will be just fine, but I’m not reassure by the censorship, mandates and liability waiver for big pharma
I see big pharma, fined billions of dollars for literally lying about product safety to make profit.
I see corporate sponsored gov that lied us into Iraq war, Afghanistan war, denies us universal healthcare and education, has record numbers in prisons and homeless. Conducts covert actions to destabilize democratically elected govs they don’t like
I see this big pharma, big gov and big tech unite to force their product into ppl, a process that can not be reversed, under threat of not being able to work or eat in a restaurant unless you comply.
I see censorship of doctors, one who even has patents regarding the mRNA tech.
I see denial of early treatment. Hospitals sending ppl home until symptoms worsen.
Only signal we have for problems with vaccines, VAERS, is going off the charts.
You want to ignore all that? Fine, your choice. I see a big problem here and I’m just stating my opinion. I won’t assume anything about your character or attack you personally. I don’t see the value in treating ppl that way.
I’m fine having a disagreement with someone else and don’t take it too personally.
But it seems you are too ideologically blinded to engage with normal scientific arguments :(
Lets not resort to making assumptions about one another or accusing each other of being ideologically blinded. That line of ad-hominem argumentation leads no where productive. I’m arguing the material you linked and citing evidence.
You think using VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) to talk about vaccine adverse events is misinformation, and I disagree.
From article: “Unfortunately, the anti-vaccine movement has used this once-obscure database to spread misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine.”
“Consequently, VAERS reports might not only document people’s negative experiences with vaccination, but also their attitudes toward vaccination.”
“VAERS data could be seen as something of a double-edged sword. On one hand, it has been weaponized by the anti-vaccine movement and political actors on the right to sow doubt and distrust about COVID-19 vaccinations.”
Claims of “misinformation” without debate/evidence is just cover for corporate censorship.
The entire piece reads like corporate pharma propaganda I can summaries as: “Nothing to see here folks. Bunch of right-wing loonies, am I right? These vaccines are safe and effective.”
It’s not just complaining about possible right-wing media data distortion, but casting doubt in the VARES system itself, which is the only signal we have for vaccine problems at the moment.
I don’t agree that mistrust of big pharma is solely a right-wing thing. Big pharma has lied, often.
Fined $8 Billion for bribing doctors to up sales of Oxycontin: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oxycontin-drugmaker-purdue-pharma-pleads-guilty-federal-criminal-charges-n1244155
Fined $2.1 Billion for illegal marketing of products later pulled from the market for not being safe: https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617
$5 Billion settlement for a product that cause heart attacks and obstructing data to make profits: https://www.npr.org/series/5033105/vioxx-the-downfall-of-a-drug
$4.69 Billion verdict for women who developed cancer from using talcum powder, and pharma company knew and hid data: https://www.consumernotice.org/products/personal-care/talcum-powder/cancer/
Now they have this vaccine product, funded by federal gov to develop, and making record profits for themselves and their companies (https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/business/covid-vaccine-billionaires/index.html) and it’s some how an anti-vax conspiracy to doubt their assurances of safety?
VAERS was made in 1990 to detect problems with vaccinations for a reason. They have had more events logged since release of these vaccines than all previous years, combined. It is also a felony to file false VAERS reports, so it’s not a simple google form or some such thing.
The vaccines do not stop the spread or infection. They said they would. They lied. They said they were 95% effective. They lied. Now we need booster 3… soon it will be four, all the while the corporate billionaires are making obscene profits. They said lock downs where for 2 weeks. They lied. They said they wouldn’t mandate, that it was not in the power of gov to do so. Biden and Harris said this. They lied.
They say the miocarditis in children it might cause is “mild”. There is no such thing as mild damage to heart tissues. Any damage to heart tissues is dangerous considering the heart scars rather then regenerates.
Now evidence is emerging that it effects women’s menstrual cycles: https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Wellness/covid-19-vaccine-linked-small-menstrual-cycles-study/story?id=82134301
Of course corporate media says it’s no big deal (sponsored by Pfizer).
Point is they over promised and under delivered, by any measure. And then there is the censorship and mandates on top of it all.
Pointing this out and saying it’s sus is not “right-wing” but what is a traditional left position of doubting corrupt gov/corporate fascist lies.
"@craftingwithbits@lemmy.ml be sure to tell all your friends: Lemmy.ml allows for Anti-Vaxx posts explicitly. There will be no censorship!
I’m sure this will end swimmingly. /s"
I see you are caught up in the emotions of this debate, as evident by your exaggerations. I invite you to take breath and recognize it is just a disagreement, no big deal. You have the rights to your views and I, mine. For the record, it is an anti-mandate march, not anti-vax.
Pharam has paid billions in fines for lying about product safety. There is room and reason for someone to be doubtful of their assurances of safety and we should have the right to make up our own minds.
This isnt anti-vax. If you want it, take it, no one is arguing against it or using force/coercion to stop you from taking it. But force/coercion is being used to force ppl to take it and that is what the march is against. The mandates. It’s too much power to surrender over to the government.
I take it you are not going then. Freedom of choice is nice, isn’t it?
Thanks for editing out the “anti-vaxxer” slur, but seems a little disingenuous that you remove it without mention. Can’t you stand by what you say?
I won’t be so quick to label you since I have no idea who you are, shame you just throw the word “anti-vax” at ppl who question the motives of big Pfarma and a war mongering gov, as if though they’ve never lied and questioning the corporate state is heretical. Didn’t mean to rile you up. Just an honest disagreement. Go ahead, trust the corporate state and big pharma if you want, but I don’t.
Great article. Here is their idea of a solution: (From study linked in story)
“The effectiveness of large-scale psychological persuasion in the digital environment heavily depends on the accuracy of predicting psychological profiles from people’s digital footprints (whether in the form of machine learning predictions from a user’s behavioral history or single target Likes), and therefore, this approach is not without limitations. First, the psychological meaning of certain digital footprints might change over time, making it necessary to continuously calibrate and update the algorithm to sustain high accuracy.”
So they write this article, claiming to have found a subset of conservatives most likely to spread “misinformation”, even after authorities have told them it’s untrue (Oh No! How dare they!).
Then offer up as part of the solution the quoted study.
And people support this? Let me interpret: We have through highly sophisticated means, leveraged peoples online activity to profile them and identified the problems to be those that disagree with authorities. We therefore conclude we must engage psychological techniques of mass persuassion and target them more specifically to modify this behaviour.
Wtf!? For me, “misinformation” is the corporate media lies that lead us to war. So I guess second guessing George W. Bush about the WMDs would be misinformation now.
If anything, they have gotten much better at their propoganda techniques. They’ve captured such a large number of the left and made them their corporate foot soldiers.
Don’t agree with me? I wonder, is you instinct to say I’m a spreader of misinformation?
Read the article, but empoy some empathy and imagine that by misinformation they mean something you disagree with authorites about. From that vantage, this article is very informative indeed.