🙄 you’re not any better than people blaming non-voters for the election & you’re not convincing anybody with that BS any more than they’re convincing you

Why not, instead, work to stop the trolley from killing anyone?

I could ask the same of you! Instead of helping fix the system you’re blaming other people for their personal voting choices. Get it?

Why the fuck would you put peoples humanity in computer science terms. You know what? Don’t answer. That’s some Nazi shit.

You have no idea what my politics are and you’re assuming A LOT that simply isn’t true about me. I’ve been against the DINOs since well before Trumps first term

Ok I don’t have time to continue debating this sorry I’m trying to get a Lemmy server set up so I can hopefully hedge against the incoming bans on all our transsex communities now that fascists have fully taken over

That’s the politest way I can think of saying what I’d like to say so we should probably stop. Thank you & goodbye please never contact me again

Aight well I don’t find any of that to be incompatible with my POV so 🤷‍♀️

I get it you don’t like harm reduction. Some of us do though why do you have a problem with that

Oh I didn’t see this is lemmy.ml. You’re making a false equivalency sorry. Both parties are bad but one is clearly less bad by a mile.

Anyway I said what my personal preference is. I’m allowed to have an opinion on the trolley problem while also acknowledging it’s one of the most famous problems in philosophy precisely because so few people agree.

The DINOs failed to win the election, I still think they’d be less bad than this.

Personally I pull the lever in the trolley problem. Not pulling the lever definitely doesn’t equal washing one’s hands of the outcome.

No you see, they don’t want to hold politicians accountable. They’d rather bootlick while blaming individual voters for being stuck between a rock and hard place.

If that were true you would have replied by ignoring their red herring (women’s sports) and brought the attention back to the real issues—lack of access to medical care, criminalization of trans legal status, etc.

Instead you decided to debate them over nitpicky “biological advantage” arguments which just reinforces the myth in the minds of readers that the only thing we have to lose here are silly games for entertainment and fun. That’s exactly what they want and you fell for it.

You know what? As a woman who’s had a sex change, I am so tired. I could not give a shit about this mods opinions or any of this topic from anybody.

It’s quite simply a topic that loses us support for emotional gut vibe reasons that have nothing to do with rationality. And for what?

I’ve never played women’s sports. Nobody trans I’ve ever met plays women’s sports because we’re all fucking afraid of it and always have been.

We are less than 1% of the population and of that 1% maybe 1% is anywhere near ballsy enough to even begin to try in this environment let alone having the resources to try competing on top of much more pressing matters like surgeries and hormones.

Are these people ignorant and on the wrong side of history here? Absolutely.

Have transsex people been playing sports for decades without issue and without dominating even one out of hundreds of different sports? Absolutely.

Are they just making shit up about transsex bodies based off nothing but unchecked stereotypes and ignorance because they only ever notice the most visible and non-passing ones and have no idea how many of us are stealth? 1000% you betcha.

Could whatever nuanced future issues be resolved by simply introducing additional classes according to measurable biological traits like weight or shoulder span in the few cases where perhaps one day there will be reason to? Yepppp.

Is this whole conversation actually just misogynistic control over women’s bodies that will ultimately harm quantitatively more cis women than trans women? Yep!! And they are better poised to tackle that than us when it does.

And yet? I want everybody to shut up about it because we have far more pressing issues at hand. When it comes to women’s sports the public has made up their mind and the facts don’t matter.

We’re losing access to life saving medical care, being deplatformed, and criminalized for existing in public and y’all still think this is about pointless debates over sports. The public does not have much bandwidth in their minds to spare on us & it’s imperative we get off this topic.

If someone thinks I’m a “biological male” who shouldn’t play women’s sports I don’t frankly care. As long as they don’t interfere with us building robust community organizations to ensure everybody has means to survive the Nazis in coming years, it’s fine.

Frankly they can call me a biological male all day if they want to deliver some hormones to a girl who needs them. They’d still be stupid and wrong but at least useful then.