The new law that bans gender-affirming care for minors also mandates that adult patients seeking trans health care sign an informed consent form. It also requires a physician to oversee any health care related to transitioning, and for people to see that doctor in person. Those rules have proven particularly onerous because many people received care from nurse practitioners and used telehealth. The law also made it a crime to violate the new requirements.
Another new law that allows doctors and pharmacists to refuse to treat transgender people further limits their options.
It’s almost as if it was never about children???
Actually fucking painful the amount of people I had this argument with, hate being vindicated in this way. It was never about the children, it’s purely about hate.
Funny how the same people supporting this law oppose universal school breakfast/lunches, subsidized neonatal/child healthcare, and funding for extracurricular programs.
only if those programs support minorities. government-funded school breakfasts or lunches, healthcare subsidies, and funding for school extracurricular programs are all A-OK as long as we can make sure it only happens at schools that primarily serve rich white christians.
Fascism always needs a Boogeyman
Pro life…until you’re out of the womb… then you’re on your own… and get to work!.. didn’t you hear about the rollback of child labor laws?
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Stop targeting kids with child marriage, beauty parents and abusers in the church. Those are real problems that children face.
You don’t give a damn about children. This is entirely about targeting a class of people you hate, with kids as the excuse, and it’s fucking vile and evil.
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Because people like you repeatedly say trans people are grooming kids, just like people like you said gay men were grooming kids, just like people like you said black men were grooming your kids (to do drugs).
Personally, I don’t see what is “curious” about responding to wild accusations against an entire minority group with a resounding “that’s not happening and you’re using a dog whistle to dehumanize trans people.”
Things may be less “curious” for you if, instead of starting with a conclusion and working backwards to justify/explain it, you started with a question/hypothesis and worked towards a logical conclusion. Just a suggestion.
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Just call them names
You’re calling people pedos (EDIT: and fascists) because they don’t hate trans people.
What school material? Please show this material. And who is forcing them to go to drag shows?
If you think reading a book to children is predatory grooming then that might be a you problem.
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The same reasoning the Nazies called themselves socialist, despite being a fascist dictatorship. Why China says they are communist, while being a dictatorship with limited capitalism. And the US thinking it’s a democracy when it’s a Oligarchy with limited local democracy.
Dumb people think words mean more than actions/reality.
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As in because the pendulum swings from the far left to the far right? Or were you just mistakenly conflating those two completely opposite political theories?
Calling the Nazis far right is ignoring that their politics were more complicated than a simple 2D spectrum. They adopted ideas from both left and right.
They certainly adopt rhetoric from the left which helps them get elected, then enact exclusively right-wing policies when they actually have power, sure. Fascists usually use populist rhetoric to get into power but then they never do anything to actually reduce inequality (because that would be the opposite of fascism).
Not all authoritarianism is fascism. All fascism is authoritarian, of course, but fascism isn’t the only authoritarian system of government.
Then why is “stop targeting kids” seen as transphobic if it’s nothing to do with kids?
Because the bigots who say it aren’t saying it about people who are targeting kids. They’re falsely accusing trans people of targeting kids.
Because nobody in the LGBT community is targeting kids with anything, so when you make that implication, you are perpetuating an offensive and recently extremely dangerous stereotype which has actually gotten people killed already.
Just in case you aren’t actually trolling and legitimately don’t understand this.
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Form the powerhouse that brought you such groovy hits like, “Don’t Tread on Me” and “Small Goverment Now!” comes a new hip tune by the GOPissfarts:
“We Are Slackjawed Hypocrites.”
Enjoy their olympic-level feat of mental gymnastics as they spew the barely coherent rhetoric-laced psychobabble of meaningless nonsense while simultaneously trying to justify how “iTs diFfErEnT wHeN iTs aBoUt tEh gAyS*™”
it’s only hypocrisy if you take the most generous possible interpretation of the things the right-wingers say, not what they so obviously mean
it’s always been very clear all along that “don’t tread on me” doesn’t mean the same thing as “don’t tread on anybody”. they want some people to be firmly tread upon, and others not to be.
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That’s a lot of flowery words for “I’m a bigot.”
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They have 22 upvotes, you have 3. You are simply incorrect.
Short version: you get the squicks and are uncomfy because someone else is getting medical care that is none of your fucking business, so you’re fine with shitting on the rights of fellow human beings.
How enlightened of you.
That is an awfully long winded way of saying you can’t mind your own business.
That’s not how beings trans works, and you should consider asking more of them and doctors what they think should be done instead.
But, I think you know that, or you wouldn’t be using the same language as transphobes.
The treatment you’re talking about is conversion therapy - largely considered torture by modern standards. And what happened to the people who received that “treatment?” Statistically they probably fucking killed themselves. Which, like, I guess does solve the issue of you being uncomfortable around trans people and having to see us in public.
I’m not sure if you’re a ghoul or woefully uninformed. I’d suggest reading the medical literature on trans people. Nearly every psychiatric and pediatric organization of note agrees that supporting their transition leads to better healthcare outcomes for trans people by a pretty large margin. This isn’t some kind of social contagion or whatever the fuck you’re talking about. This is evidenced medical practice.
It’s not about gays though, it’s about children thinking they are trans.
Yes, there needs to be limits on the health care that is provided to children and parental concent.
There’s nothing hypocritical about that.
What healthcare is given to children that you disagree with? Because most prominent medical organizations disagree with you about what we currently offer, which is gender-affirming care and puberty blockers. There’s nothing surgical and nothing permanent.
I’m not really sure what you find needing limits to children there? Please explain.
This is a lie.
There are permanent effects to puberty blockers and the FDA has issued serious warnings.
Why do you care more about your ideology than protecting kids?
Why can’t you just be honest?
Side effects are known to both children and parents when given because doctors are typically good at that. Of course, you don’t seem educated, so here is a list of those side effects, and a show that they are rather safe: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dysphoria/in-depth/pubertal-blockers/art-20459075
Which ones do you believe are so serious that you want children to kill themselves instead?
It really shows how ignorant, bigoted, and stupid you are.
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They’ve been in use since I was a child, so like 20 years ago at least, and were often used to delay puberty when it started abnormally early for a child. They’re perfectly fine.
If we want to talk specifically about the drug transphobes shit their pants over, Lupron, it has been in use since the mid-80s. And studies have shown that Lupron as well as other puberty blockers are, by and large, safe for kids. We have like 40 years of data on this.
Using them for that purpose is fine.
Using them to hold back puberty in children who believe they are trans has SEVERE medical repercussions.
But pumping kids full of amphetamine and Wellbutrin is perfectly natural, right?
You can stop taking puberty blockers and then, unsurprisingly, go through puberty with very minimal side effects. This has been shown through peer reviewed studies to vastly improve the well-being of trans children.
The side effects are not “minimal”
They are minimal to you because you are minimising them and that is dangerous. At least be honest.
The FDA has issued warnings against them for brain swelling and severe bone density issues.
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And they would be correct to do so. Spreading misinformation in support of bigoted policy is bigotry.
Please explain why you think you know better than most medical organizations in fields of their expertise.
Most of those children KNOW they are trans. Do you have a problem with them too? Or is it just the one that think they are. Because for the ones that think they are, there’s therapy for them to get an understanding of what going on- but you conservatives shutting that down.
So how about you tell me what’s to be done when that happens? What will we do about the ones that still think they’re trans when there’s nothing to help them under it?
Lastly…
What the fuck is wrong with someone being trans?
I disagree that children know they are trans.
You’re trying to equate bigotry “there must be something wrong with trans” with the idea that “children do not have enough life experience to understand complex things like sex and gender”
I don’t think children are smart enough not to shove a pencil up their nose, and you think they understand things like sex, gender expression, parenthood, and sexuality?
And you think children can decide they are trans?
No.
This kind of rhetoric has to stop.
Children cannot decide if they have gender dysphoria.
Trans adults recall being trans kids. But this is the root of most transphobia. You simply do not believe transgender people when they speak.
Keep your nose out of other people’s healthcare.
You’re right.
If you don’t think children understand things like sex or gender, then we should teach them that queer people exist, and we should probably allow them to express their gender identities however they want, because if they don’t fully understand it, giving them a safe space to try out different identities when younger so that they are in a position to make difficult decisions like identity at crucial points in their life, like the need to take puberty blockers.
That is a really progressive stance, thank you for being an ally.
I think children are smarter than people like you give them credit for, and therapy can help them figure out how they feel and allow them to make sense of it all.
Children need advocacy, not people that think they’re not smart enough to tell when they don’t feel right.
Please don’t have children, and stay away from those of others. People like you should not be weighing in on the mental health of children.
A parental concent, like an Aerosmith show?
They’re coming for your
gunshealthcare. Next is your contraceptives.FWIW, they came for your porn in many GOP-controlled states.
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Oh don’t worry, they’ll come for our guns too. They’ve been fearmongering about the “trans rights or else” shirts and that shooter that might have been trans this year, and a lot of places are pushing a law that says you can’t own a firearm if you’re deemed “mentally unwell”. All they need is one declaration and then you have an out class that disproportionately receives violence but the state deems inappropriate to defend or allow to defend themselves
This is not true. SCOTUS is taking on a case in the fall that asks if someone accused of or convicted of domestic abuse can be allowed to own a gun. Last term, they overturned New York State law on conceal carry.
Bruen has actually made it almost impossible to make laws that restrict firearms ownership. Thomas wrote that ““the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with the Nation’s historical tradition.”
In other words, if the framers didn’t think the Second Amendment should preclude people who are “mentally ill” then you can’t make a law that precludes people who are mentally ill.
This is why the domestic abuse law will be toppled. At the time of the founding of the country, it was legal to rape your wife, who had no rights under the constitution.
“Blindsided” is incorrect. If you are a minority living in Florida and you’re just now realizing that The government is less than amenable towards you then you have been willfully ignorant at best.
Florida continues the habit of ensuring it hurts every citizen in it’s state. Has Florida actually done anything “good” for all of Florida?
The GOP in general, and DeSpicable in particular, need to survey the bottom of the Marianas Trench to show those bottom feeders how it’s done.
(I hear OceanGate has the perfect submarine to get them there!)
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Like many transgender adults in Florida, he and Lucas are now facing tough choices, including whether to uproot their lives so that they can continue to access gender-confirming care.
Lucas, 26, lost his access to treatment when the Orlando clinic that prescribed him hormone replacement therapy stopped providing gender-affirming care altogether.
But SPEKTRUM Health Inc., the Orlando clinic that prescribed Lucas hormone replacement therapy, has stopped providing gender-affirming care.
“There are a lot of people looking for care that we’re no longer legally able to provide,” said Lana Dunn, SPEKTRUM Health’s chief operating officer.
Florida has the second-largest population of transgender adults in the U.S., at an estimated 94,900 people, according to the Williams Institute at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Law.
While SPEKTRUM has bolstered its mental health services since the law passed, it and other organizations heavily rely on nurse practitioners to provide care.
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They came for the people who were disenfranchised and couldn’t vote them out of office.
Now they’re coming for you because you could have and didn’t.
Nobody deserves to be treated like this, to have stupid bigoted political games played with their healthcare, but if you were okay with it being done to young people, you at least should not be surprised that now it’s also being done to you.
Now, do you really think there are enough trans adults in Florida to vote out the people who created this law? The article doesn’t say they voted Republican and I think we can assume they didn’t. The reason they used the word “blindsided” is because they say the adult aspects of the bill were never part of the public discussion in the news. Of course they could have sought out the full text of the bill, read it and publicized it themselves. But they probably thought they already knew it was a terrible idea without reading past the denial of care to youths. And even if they had risen en masse to protest both new laws, it would only have further energized the red wing who portray them as evil degenerates undermining society.
What a nasty way to respond to a minority losing healthcare access. It’s really easy to sit there and tell them they should have tried harder when you’re not the one doing the work.
Exactly, this is a farcical argument. The simple fact is that we as a society are only as good as how we treat and support our most disenfranchised people.
This argument presumes that only trans and a handful of their friends and family members support trans rights and trans integration into broader society, when the truth is that the majority of people want trans integration because we know aforementioned simple fact from having researched, and in some cases lived, the consequences of not standing up for disenfranchised peoples in the past.
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This comment section is the first time I’ve wondered why I bothered leaving reddit.
Sorry, server issues were preventing taking out the trash.
Maggots will swarm even the finest food if no one’s watching it and it’s thrown out into the dumpster. It looks like they’ve been heavily downvoted at least.
The mods are evidently still working. We’ll see which maggots remain.
It looks like they’ve been heavily downvoted at least.
Yeah, that happens on reddit too.
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GOP are disgusting
I’m just waiting for the day I can vote him out of office. Just this once. I mean how are Floridians settling for this?!
Because most people don’t see us trans people as human and agree with this. The non cynical interpretation is that they just wouldn’t ever lift a finger.
But I’m a cynic
I don’t blame you for being a cynic really. We had the last election last year I believe and we had our chance and chose to vote him back in. Now he’s doing all this shit and pretty much ruining the state as we know it.
He’s never gonna leave. He’s like a bedbug
If I lived in Florida, I try and get telehealth and mail order scripts from a blue state that with trans sanctuary and healthcare protection laws. There are a number of states where the healthcare provider is protected from evil red state laws.
They specifically banned Telehealth in the legislative changes.
I’m sure we will see red State bounty hunters entering blue states and kidnapping providers soon though.
This is just helicopter surveillance. They don’t trust trans people and are scared of them, this will be such a compromise for them
I never thought the leopards would eat my face
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I don’t see how the title implies what you said was false? Sure they were surprised, but it’s not like they didn’t think those leopards were gonna eat their face as soon as the young were devoured. This seems kind of victim blamey to me too
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