Tbf, they were ready to surrender after the first bomb but it wasn’t unconditional. They wanted protection for their emperor. The US wanted to drop the second bomb to make Russia think we had more. This is an open secret. The second bombing has nothing to do with stopping Japan.
And pretending like everyone has the power to end a war is horrifyingly childish. It’s actually scary how naive and simple your viewpoint is when taken into context the monstrosity you’re defending.
I wrote an actual rebuttal to everything you wrote. But I realize that all of this is meaningless because you are one of the people who just love to lie to protect imperial japan. I only need to focus on this one thing:
Tbf, they were ready to surrender after the first bomb but it wasn’t unconditional. They wanted protection for their emperor.
And here we see the lengths you go to defend the japanese monstrosities. The Potsdam declaration didn’t mention the emperor at all. But you know what the japanese mentioned? That they would fight to the bitter end:
I consider the Joint Proclamation a rehash of the Declaration at the Cairo Conference. As for the Government, it does not attach any important value to it at all. The only thing to do is just kill it with silence (mokusatsu). We will do nothing but press on to the bitter end to bring about a successful completion of the war.
And this was their stance even after the first bomb, when they still demanded their four conditions
that the emperor’s rule would be left untouched
that Japan handle their own disarmament
that Japan deal with any Japanese war criminals
that there be no occupation of Japan
Those were their demands. This is what they wanted. That is why a second bomb was necessary. Not because of “the emperor”. Because they wanted to keep running their country and never face consequences for their actions.
The only reason Japan surrendered was because they expected to have an ally in the Soviet Union. They surrendered because the S.U. declared war on them, not because of the bomb.
Losing a major ally will definitely change your plans. Being bombed is just part of war.
I’m not condoning the Japanese. I’m just saying there was likely not a need to drop a second nuclear bomb in this world. You seem insistent that not condoning countless deaths of Japanese people seems to be apologizing for them. You aren’t actually arguing for necessity of the actions in your posts but the necessity of believing in punishment of them. Just as I don’t think random murders of US Americans would be a justified if it stopped the wars in Afghanistan which is exactly what your logic dictates would make it ok. You basically justified terrorism and events like 9/11 dumbass.
Tbf, they were ready to surrender after the first bomb but it wasn’t unconditional. They wanted protection for their emperor. The US wanted to drop the second bomb to make Russia think we had more. This is an open secret. The second bombing has nothing to do with stopping Japan.
And pretending like everyone has the power to end a war is horrifyingly childish. It’s actually scary how naive and simple your viewpoint is when taken into context the monstrosity you’re defending.
I wrote an actual rebuttal to everything you wrote. But I realize that all of this is meaningless because you are one of the people who just love to lie to protect imperial japan. I only need to focus on this one thing:
And here we see the lengths you go to defend the japanese monstrosities. The Potsdam declaration didn’t mention the emperor at all. But you know what the japanese mentioned? That they would fight to the bitter end:
And this was their stance even after the first bomb, when they still demanded their four conditions
Those were their demands. This is what they wanted. That is why a second bomb was necessary. Not because of “the emperor”. Because they wanted to keep running their country and never face consequences for their actions.
The only reason Japan surrendered was because they expected to have an ally in the Soviet Union. They surrendered because the S.U. declared war on them, not because of the bomb.
Losing a major ally will definitely change your plans. Being bombed is just part of war.
I’m not condoning the Japanese. I’m just saying there was likely not a need to drop a second nuclear bomb in this world. You seem insistent that not condoning countless deaths of Japanese people seems to be apologizing for them. You aren’t actually arguing for necessity of the actions in your posts but the necessity of believing in punishment of them. Just as I don’t think random murders of US Americans would be a justified if it stopped the wars in Afghanistan which is exactly what your logic dictates would make it ok. You basically justified terrorism and events like 9/11 dumbass.